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George I 1723 Shilling With Bars In Angles

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 Posted 09/08/2010  3:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add malinky to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I'm new to this site and currently have a number of British and British Empire coins to sell. I've been doing some research to evaluate the coins before I sell them, and currently have a George I 1723 shilling, which has a lot of gold guild on it, with bars in the angles. I've been unable to find any mention of such a coin anywhere and would be grateful for any help identifying the variety or type of this coin.

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 Posted 09/09/2010  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all, welcome to the forum!

Very interesting coin you have there! I strongly believe somebody was trying to make a guinea out of a shilling. The two coins are of the same size, same legend, minor differences in the design.
The star between the shields is definitely one of the shilling (on a guinea it's smaller). The royal symbols in the corners were removed - I still can see the traces of them and replaced with the "bars" which should resemble sceptres on a guinea. Pretty crude job. And then it was most likely gold plated.
By the looks of the bars I'd say it's a relatively recent forgery. And my guess is that they started with a genuine shilling.
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 Posted 09/10/2010  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would agree that it's most likely to be a genuine shilling that's been modified to resemble a guinea. From the looks of them, the "bars" were made by scraping away at the coin to either side of the bars, creating little hollows.

However, I don't think it's "recent"; the crudeness, and the fact that the gilding is mostly worn away by now, implies to me that it was intended to circulate at about the time that genuine guineas looked like that (ie prior to 1727, when the design of the guinea switched to a large shield). Indeed, it was precisely because people were going around gilding shillings and passing them off as guineas that the design of the guinea was changed.
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 Posted 09/13/2010  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Sap - I think this is a contemporary forgery of a guinea, however not necessarily by starting off with a shilling. Cast copies of guineas in silver or white metal with gilding are quite common, as are copies in brass. It would have been useful to see the obverse, and the weight and diameter would be useful evidence.

From the social history point of view, forging coins was a popular and very lucrative offence, though punishable by death.
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