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 Posted 09/09/2010  10:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nybird to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
In recently won a coin auction on ebay, I noticed that the 3 persons bidding against me seem to only bid on this on venders items, 87%, 88% and 96% respectively.

I looked at some other auctions he runs and the same pattern emerges, just for kicks I looked at other venders I bid on and no similar pattern, not even close.

This is not for something rare and exotic just run of the mill $10 coins.

Do you think this should be reported to ebay? Seems fishy to me, like trying to drive up the price. Another option is I am crazy, and just imagining things.
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 Posted 09/09/2010  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you looked at my bidding histories you'd likely wanna call the FBI. I have dozens of loyal customers that only buy on ebay from me.
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 Posted 09/09/2010  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nybird to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What if they only bid and never win nearly 100% of the time.
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 Posted 09/10/2010  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coin Chaser to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was wondering about group bidding also. I sold items on ebay using a seller but never bought any items. Now looking to sell on my own I watch the bidding process. As you said some people support certain sellers and may be guilty of shill bidding but with being able to list your items with a starting price you are comfortable with should eliminate this practice. Also an informed buyer will know what the maximum amount they want to bid for an item. Buyers remorse causes many thoughts to enter your mind. Have a good day.
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 Posted 09/10/2010  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's exactly why I'm a sniper. On rare occassions I'll place a nominal bid just to keep someone from making the seller an off-line offer. I use a free service and place my bid with 5 seconds remaining. Those shills don't come into play with my bid.

When I started on ebay over 10 years ago I played the game and noticed a lot of pecking against my bids. That's when userids were visible and you could track their history through feedbacks during live auctions. I could see the patterns and abandoned the conventional bidding process early on.
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 Posted 09/10/2010  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nybird to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok this is the long story, last night I was in a hurry, ( I will modify some non-essential details to protect all parties)

Step (1) Vendor lists perhaps 50 different coins starting at $.99, all low value stuff like 1932 Lincoln cents for example in medium condition.

Step (2) Almost immediately every single coin has 1 bid placed, all by bidders with 80-90% of their bids only with this vendor.

Step (3) I place a modest bid like $1.29.

Step (4) Shortly there-after another bid comes up a few cents over mine, now by another bidder with 90%+ bids only with same vendor.

Step (5) I wait till auction is almost over then place a relatively high bid (like $12) and watch, Slowly the bids increment up, all by bidders with 80-90% bidding only with this vendor.

Step (6) I win auction, in this case for $11 or so...

I do understand the bidding process, and don't mind losing, I don't even mind the $11 price, since I do want this coin. But in checking many other coin auctions I found that I am rarely bidding against anyone else that has over 5% exclusive to the vendor bids. Also most vendors do not have all their auctions for common coins start with one bid almost immediately.

So my question still stands, should this be reported to e-bay or is it a waste of time. I'm sure if they want too they have the tools to go much deeper than I can, with not knowing who the other bidders are or their history with a given vendor in detail.

Sorry for the long rant, but, I hope it fully explains my concerns. And does so without needlessly damaging someones reputation if I am wrong.
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 Posted 09/10/2010  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no doubt that your findings are worthy of investigation. But unless you have the proof of the shill and can tie the bidders to the vendor, you're going to drive them to different emails. I've forgotten how many different emails can be assigned to any one physical address. If you can track the IP address they use you might be able to validate your findings. I have a feeling, unless you have legal precedence or backing, you might be entering into a dangerous area. Not to mention expensive.
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 Posted 09/10/2010  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nybird to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, it sure looks fishy but I'm afraid no one cares. One buyer has bought over 250 items from only this vender, no one else. Leaves him nice feedback also. He seems to buy whenever the sell price is below melt... hum...
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 Posted 09/10/2010  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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One buyer has bought over 250 items from only this vender, no one else. Leaves him nice feedback also. He seems to buy whenever the sell price is below melt... hum...


You've just described a smart loyal customer. Congratulations detective.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nybird to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Update, since this was posted, several of his regular Bidders (the ones that do almost 100% of their bidding with him only) have posted a few bids with other venders.... remember 100 plus in a row with him only now just this week a few with others.... I wonder if he reads these posts?

Since I have bought a few items from him I now have his real address, I think it is time to report him to authorities. It is hard to belive it is not a con, as I have checked dozens of other vendors along these same lines with no pattern even close to his. There are many large organizations eager to expose ebay frauds.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nybird to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know its not worth the trouble but its not right to cheat, and if it is not as it appears he will have no problem.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I sure hope you know what you're doing. The "evidence" you have proves absolutely nothing. These bidders could be loyal customers as easily as shill bidders. If you push it and you're wrong, you'll be the one signing for your mail.
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09/14/2010 6:26 pm
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 Posted 09/14/2010  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yea. counter law suits are no joke.

I would suggest just dont buy from this guy and move on.

whats the risk if you're wrong. What's the reward if you;re right...

not worth it imo.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nybird to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it wrong to report possible actions to ebay and let them sort it out?

Your very right that it's not worth a big fight but, if it is going on I would think ebay would like to put a stop to it.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Is it wrong to report possible actions to ebay and let them sort it out?


No, but you said...


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Since I have bought a few items from him I now have his real address, I think it is time to report him to authorities.


That hardly sounded like a report to ebay.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nybird to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see! What I had in mind was ebay. They can do whatever they do since only they have any chance of proving anything. I'm getting the impression that it is not worth the time. Oh well... I'll move on. Thanks for the wise advice, venting here has calmed me down some.
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