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1850 Small Date Eagle

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...TRK:MEWNX:IT

Bought on a whim. Never handled much gold before, but seemed like a good deal at barely over melt. Your thoughts?
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 Posted 09/12/2010  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This date would be a nice no-motto eagle to have but the seller exaggerates the quality of his coin. It looks like EF details to me and appears both damaged and cleaned. A bullion-related price is appropriate for this piece, IMO.
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 Posted 09/12/2010  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears that many of these small date coins are of inferior quality in strike, detail, and surfaces. I would have never paid that much for a large date. Take a look at these:

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_ite...Lot_No=22679

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_ite...=20221#Photo

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_ite...Lot_No=24504

The last one is clearly much nicer than this, but do you think that based on the first two I have a chance to make a few hundred on it in the long run?

It's certainly nothing like THIS: http://coins.ha.com/common/view_ite...&Lot_No=2417

Oh man, I wish!
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I think you would have a chance to make a few hundred on it. It looks like AU details to me but has had a rough life.

This seller got a lot of info off CoinFacts. That AU58 he posted lists at $4,850 in PCGS' price guide. CoinFacts estimated survival on the Small Date is 125 pieces, so it was worth the $700.

I did have to laugh at the seller's comment that his coin is "at least as good as the PCGS AU58" though!
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Yeah, that's a load of hogwash. I don't know if he even knows what he's doing or is just being deceptive. Maybe the former because hes a UK seller. I was amazed to see that NGC 55 coin with the damage on the face and the intense dipping in a slab. I was more amazed to see that someone paid $1610 for it. if they paid that much for that coin, I'm hoping I could eventually get $1100 for this one.
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I lucked out and the coin looks considerably better in hand than in the pictures. The rubbing in the lower right near the stars looks much more minor, and I'd say that the coin as a whole has just been really overdipped. His pics exaggerated every single little flaw. It has that artificial, prooflike sheen (without the gap near the devices and the dulled out look thats more characteristic of polished coins) which is pretty standard on overdipped coins, similar to that Trade dollar I had awhile ago.

I'd value it at about $1200. I hope to flip it for $1000 to 1100 eventually.
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I do want to make sure theres no chance of it being fake, though. Anything to watch out for?
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 Posted 09/18/2010  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it's weight in grams and diameter/thickness are good then you'll know it's gold and can be 95% sure it's a genuine 1850 Half Eagle.

Because it is a scarce date, it would probably need to be slabbed to garner the profit you're looking for. Nothing wrong with a genuine or details slab in this case.
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True. I may have someone interested who already bought some gold from me so we'll see if I can just flip it raw to him. If not, I'll just have it slabbed. I hope it doesn't get slabbed XF details, that wouldn't be any good. Knowing NGC these days...
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