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 Posted 09/14/2010  08:03 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just ran across this note on ebay and it sort of shakes my faith in PCGS grading. I couldn't help but notice it says Star Note and has the number F-2176E*... There is no such note! And in addition I am used to star notes having a STAR on them.

I seriously doubt if someone wanted to counterfeit a PCGS slab that they would make such an obvious error.

What gives?

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 Posted 09/14/2010  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Money to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hahaha at least it has a nice serial number, assuming its a real note
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 Posted 09/14/2010  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The seller is asking $10,000 for it.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bvalania to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't see how this one makes sense. Like you said no star exixts for the run. Did they give a pic of the backside, if so did it have the PCGS hologram? Maybe it is a PCGS error? How's the sellers feedback?
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 Posted 09/14/2010  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Don't see how this one makes sense. Like you said no star exixts for the run. Did they give a pic of the backside, if so did it have the PCGS hologram? Maybe it is a PCGS error? How's the sellers feedback?


Seller has a %100 rating, not even so much as a neutral comment. See for yourself
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...TRK:MEWAX:IT

*forgot to add, I bought a few notes from this seller a while back. They are nice notes.
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The seller is asking $10,000 for it.


The seller can ask whatever he/she wants to ask, but is quite disillusioned if anywhere near that figure is expected (regardless of feedback rating).

I cannot comment on their grading, but PCGS is not at all impressive when it comes to the identification of currency. I have seen more than just a couple of notes in PCGS holders that were misidentified. CGA and PMG are far better TPG choices.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The upside to all this is that I was thinking about having some notes graded, so I now know who NOT TO use to do so.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bobo_Jenkins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's one thing for the grading company to accidentally put "Star" on their holder, but the seller too is claiming it's a star note which makes him look ignorant. The whole auction appears messed up.
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Actually the seller says this at the bottom of the page:


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1999 $100 SOLID serial # 55555555 STAR NOTE pcgs 64 PPQ... of course this cannot be accurate - its not a Star BUT the label says it is!
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In this case I don't so much blame the seller (other than for having an outrageously inflated price trying to take advantage of a grading mistake) I blame PCGS. Not only did they add Star to the label, but they gave it an FR number that doesn't exist. They are supposed to be professionals, and this is totally unacceptable.

We are supposed to be able to count on grading companies to set the standard for which we can go out and purchase currency without having to worry that we are being ripped off. PCGS dropped the ball BIG TIME on this one.

The seller... well I give him half credit. He has a graded note that says star, but knowing that it is not he shouldn't advertise it as so.
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 Posted 09/14/2010  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Friedberg #2176-E does exist. It's a $100 bill issued for Richmond, series 1999, signatures Withrow/Summers.

Not sure why they called it a star note though...
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Friedberg #2176-E does exist. It's a $100 bill issued for Richmond, series 1999, signatures Withrow/Summers.


2176-E does exist but the number they gave was 2176-E*
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 Posted 09/15/2010  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This guy has some nice notes and is a very well respected dealer. He does Cleary state there is a misclassification for anyone taking the time to read.

As per the grading standards - All the paper grading companies have notes "misclassified" in their respective slabs. This is no exception.

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As per the grading standards - All the paper grading companies have notes "misclassified" in their respective slabs. This is no exception.


CGA does not (so far).
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What's irritating is that the seller is well aware it's not a star note yet it puts it in the title and description, before of course he mentions it's not. I would never trust him.
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Zee, I know someone who has a "mis classified" CGA note. It's an error that was missed by all parties involved (previous owner, CGA and the currency dealer who took it on consignment).
Although I have not seen the note the story behind it and the price paid was rather silly (cheap). This note changed hands during the questionable period in CGA's history.
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