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Copper Hoarding - What's The Realistic Run Up?

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 Posted 09/17/2010  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did the $18.50 profit include the ebay fees?
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 Posted 09/17/2010  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RollHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PayPal fees (if used) would have been around $3 too
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 Posted 09/17/2010  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're all right. I forgot ebay fees! It was free listing but final value fees and paypal fees cut my profit to about $12. Well, still better than 4% from the bank. Hardly worth the effort though.
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 Posted 09/18/2010  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I was a kid, I used to scour the Municipal rubbish dump for scrap copper and brass. My dad had a friend who was a scrap metal merchant, and he bought all that I could find at three shillings and ninepence per pound. With the money from that, I built an HO gauge model train layout that was the envy of all my friends! It was built around the DBB (Deutsche BundesBahn) style, with Marklin and Fleischmann products.

In my early 20's I sold that model train layout and bought for myself a very nice St Gaudens Double Eagle! By that time I was already 10 years into coin collecting. That is still my main interest.

However I still retain a passing interest in railway modelling. I 1974 I decided to buy a brass train locomotive model. I thought 'What would be the epitome of a model train locomotive?'

I came up with the answer and bought myself an American 4 4 0 with the diamond stack, timber cab and cowcatcher, modelled on the style of Virginia and Truckee RR. I still have it in my display case, sitting alongside a 1 : 14 Mercedes - Benz Gullwing 300 SL

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 Posted 03/01/2011  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dustin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what everone here is forgeting to take into account is the cost involved with melting the coins. so taday one copper penny is worth $0.0112 one nickel is worth $.0699. so lets say you have collected 10 million copper penny's. let me say, good luck storing them and have fun spending tens of thousands of hours sorting 100 million penny's just to find 10 million. so 10 million copper pennys are worth 100,000.00 us dollars. metal value is 112,000.00. sure sounds great. your thinking I just made 12 grand. think again. those pennys are not 100% copper and they must be shipped-melted-refined-shipped again. thats the basic method if your lucky. first of all just to ship the coins could very easily cost thousands of dollars. you cant just fit 10 million coins in your trunk and drive them to the plant. now the plant that melts and refines the coins isn't going to pay you anywhere near the $0.0112 per coin. the plant has alot of cost involved melting the coins into pure copper. if your lucky when all is done you have make 1-3 grand and oh ya its illegal. now figure you spent a modest sevan thousand hours sorting the coins. thats .42 cents a hour at 3 grand profit. .14 cents per hour at 1 grand. you probly have perminent red hands too and arthritis. as long as you had fun. right? some day copper might be worth ten times what it is today then yes, it would possibly be worth the effort. but do you really think the goverment is going to let everyone cash in there copper coins for profit. even if they do make it legal they will make it impossible for you and I to ever make a red cent cashing in copper coins.
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 Posted 03/01/2011  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
dustin...you might want to check the copper value of a copper penny, then start over

And welcome to CCF by the way.
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 Posted 03/01/2011  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GRR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah copper pennies are now roughly 3x face, so your 10 million pennies are now $300,000 in metal value.

I do expect the government to allow the melting of pennies again at some point. It'll probably be when the percentage of circulating copper falls, and their useful life has past. it's been 29 years since the change over to zincolns, so I don't think it'll be all that much longer.

Only thing I see preventing the lift of the ban is if the government doesn't fix the current alloy issues with zincolns and nickels. Zincolns are around .6 cents of metal, if the metal content of zincolns exceeds face, they won't lift the ban. The ban on nickels will stay till they fix that alloy issue too.
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 Posted 03/01/2011  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dustin...looks like you used the Zincoln copper values?
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 Posted 03/01/2011  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't mention the average copper rate for most of us is between 25-35%...guess it would help to have all the info
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 Posted 03/01/2011  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rkrj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Remember about 20 to 25 years ago people were hoarding silver too and people used to say silver will never be worth enough for all the storage space you need to keep it. My personal feelings is copper will be worth the hoarding one day. It is used for so many things so copper will keep going up.
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 Posted 03/02/2011  08:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add General Tso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't get why people think it's such a chore to hold onto copper cents. Your going through them anyway. So you have one extra jar or a bucket in the basement, whatever. Searching a box looking for a microscopoc notch in a mint mark or letter is a chore.
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 Posted 03/02/2011  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenRingold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally, I'm not so sure hoarding copper cents is a good idea or even worth it. Can't melt them and who knows when you'll be able too. Means your paying rent/mortgage on the space they are taking up, for perhaps a better interest rate?
I recall a country back in the 1940's that was at war and ran low on copper,(sound familiar), and they ended up making their pennies out of zinc coated steel. They look worse now, than the Zincolns.


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So you have one extra jar or a bucket in the basement, whatever.


I'd rather have my jar/bucket full of silver or gold!
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03/02/2011 09:28 am
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 Posted 03/02/2011  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add General Tso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, I gotta shop where you guys are shopping. I'm not finding and gold and silver in my change.
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GeneralTso, you are right about coppers being a no brainer for roll searchers...so far I've sold $300 FV copper cents for $522 . Might not sound like a lot, but thats more profit than I made on my CD's in 3 months.And since I'm searching pennies already,it is really no effort at all.
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 Posted 03/02/2011  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add General Tso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed.

I'm not hoarding for a big score on coppper hitting a high number down the road or a ban being lifted. Just picking up a little extra cash when it's right in front of you.
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