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1809 Bust Dime

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Please review this coin and assign a grade.

Also comment on whether you feel this coin is authentic.

If it appears to be fake, indicate where you feel the questionable areas are found.

Thank you

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 Posted 09/23/2010  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot to mention that the measured weight is 2.67g, measured diameter is 18.98mm, and measured thickness is 1.28mm.

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The spacing of the reverse lettering looks off to me. Particularly "OF" is too tight between STATES and AMERICA. I don't like Miss Liberty's jaw line either. This is a very valuable coin in higher grades and with the level of detail exhibited here, I'd be concerned.

I'm disregarding the color because these look like scans but the gut is saying fake. Here's the reverse of a genuine MS62 piece that sold for over $4,000 several years ago.

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 Posted 09/23/2010  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a coin whose value would exceed $1000 if real, in the condition pictured. There's not a chance it's real. As has been mentioned, the reverse lettering is all wrong. The star placements are wrong. 10C is wrong. The placement of the motto relative to UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is wrong. There is only one known die variety for this year, and this ain't it.
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 Posted 09/23/2010  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fake, but a nice looking one!
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 Posted 09/23/2010  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would suggest studying the many books and periodicals available and visiting local coin shows so you can judge for yourself and don't have to second guess yourself. It appears suspicious.
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 Posted 09/23/2010  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Something I've noticed is how many copies have rough, inconsistent date digits.
The top photo is a certified coin.

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 Posted 09/24/2010  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add busthalf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm amased at how well you guys can pick out fake coins. The little details that alot of peaople would miss. Great job,
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 Posted 09/24/2010  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I mostly collect overdates--I get used to how the digits should look.
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The date is the first thing that jumped out at me also.
The pitted grainy reverse didn't seem right for the grade either.
But I am a novice compared to the pros here at CCF and am at the "being educated" stage.
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 Posted 09/26/2010  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rkp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you collect bust dimes then you know the rarity And significance of the 1809. As SuperDave mentioned there is only one known die variety JR-1 for this date and it looks nothing like this. See these for additional pics and info.

http://coinzip.proboards.com/index....y&thread=386

http://www.byronreed.com/byrons_col...es/index.htm

http://rob.com/russ/collection/

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...OPIC_ID=2379






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are all of these coins you are showing from the same place? I know the last 3 or 4 you have shown have all been cast copies and think you may have found someone that either collected cheap novelty fakes to learn what to look for or a forgers stash that he used to try to perfect his craft. If its the later I sure hope these were early in his career because he sure wouldn't have made it very long if it wasnt
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Tell you what though, great as an educational specimen.
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