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Cents 1997 To Date General Planchets And Plating Talk

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 Posted 10/02/2010  6:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dottir to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi.

Well, have looked through about $28 PLUS worth of cents over the last couple of weeks and am now ready to cash in the non keepers on Monday! Phew. That was work!!

I really noticed a LOT of stippled, striated, bumpy, or combined effects surfaces on so many cents starting in 1997 and right through to 2010, that I wanted to start a discussion about this and what may be the causes of the irregularities in surfaces. Planchets? Plating? What? And what causes or caused it.

Unfortunately my scanner isn't working and my computer is still running mostly non-functional. I don't know if I can get that fixed but I am working on it. Maybe others can provide images, or we can link to samples online?

My researching online gives me the idea that either the planchets themselves were textured for whatever reasons (polishing? sub standard or bad planchets? bad metal combining?

Seems that "striated", meaning raised lines, could be from polishing?

And "stippled" bumply pimply surfaced could be eroding under the surfaces of the plating?

It was 1997 when metal compositions of the planchets changed, correct? And the shape changed from the 12 sided back to round coins again. MANY coins from 1997 through 1999 especially are VERY obviously striated. Striations running one direction straight across the coins.

So, what are some of the causes to make these surface differences?

Also, I've been noticing a number of 2010 cents with raised metal lines (different from all I mentioned already) that are more like what you see with VERY obvious die cracks raised metal in odd shapes and directions (die clashes perhaps?) They're big and can be seen by the eye.

I mean this thread to be a sort of general discussion on surfaces and possible or probable causes.

I am SO very frustrated that I can't show you all pics right now because I would love to show you some of those 2010's especially, so you all can see them and watch out for them. I'm thinking the 2010s will be a "variety"

The many surface differences from 1997 must mean that because there are SO many coins like this, that coins wouldn't have added value, unless its something major or different from "97 to date basically normal texturing of the series"

Well, I hope other people are interested in this thread too and wanting to know more about these dates surfaces.

Thanks a lot.

:)
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 Posted 10/03/2010  03:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cubro99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The majority of cents from 1997-2010 are copper plated zinc and that is most likely what you're bringing up. I would say most of the effects you are seeing is caused by the zinc core oxidizing. From what I've seen is that zinc tends to explode (bubble up) when it rusts.
I've gone through 10 rolls of 2010 cents and noticed trends of degradation and lines that are not die cracks or die clashes. It seems to be lack of quality-control for this year. A die clash will have part of the queens portrait visible on the reverse. I found about 30 die clashes on 2010's but they are too small for me to be interested in them.
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 Posted 10/03/2010  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dottir to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your response Cubro99. I've always wondered about the surface looks of our post 1996 cents, when so many aren't smooth looking. The textured effects seem to vary in degrees, some a LOT, even within the same year. Some even look close to what I've seen called "rippled" coins (but not as severe as rippled photos I've seen)

The rest of this post meant for anyone and everyone, and is basically me just tossing out thoughts and things I wonder about. If anyone has any opinions or explanations, that would be great though

I read recently, as I think I mentioned, about zinc corroding easily (or something) and also read somewhere and saw some photos of "bumply pimply" surfaces with mentions about the planchet itself was corroded. Which would be UNDER the copper plating.

Am I to assume that in cases of corrosion that these coins minted smooth and then in time the zinc under the plating started eroding and created the stippling/bumps, striations etc? So that the surface GREW to become textured AFTER they left the mint?

(I also remember reading about some striations are a result of die polishing)

Or did the corrosion happen even before they were plated and therefore these coins left the mint "textured" ... and will the corroding grow worse in time?

I've already picked up a lot of info about cents mostly, in general, from varieties and key dates, to terminology, and ideas about the minting process, but so much to learn still. I'm sure a lot of other newbie people have a lot of the same questions as I do, so maybe this thread can answer to a lot of people

Another point I wonder about is if the texturing was not meant to be minted that way, but for whatever reasons, most came out textured somehow to varying degrees, does that lower the overall grades of coins? or is it accepted as "normal to the mintage" and doesn't add or detract from value?

So many comments and questions out of such a tiny woman hey?
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 Posted 10/03/2010  08:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dottir to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By the way, I now consider clashes and cracks and the like as something unrelated to the general surface texturing I'm talking about ,,, having said that, I have noticed a lot of what look like clashes and die cracks, Cuds etc as well.

Gawd I have GOT to get my ability to scan happening again. This is so incredibly frustrating when I'm so into this and wanting to show images ...............
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