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 to the forum! I am unable to advise you on the first coin since I know nothing about them. However, I can tell you that I am certain that the second coin, the 1893 Morgan dollar, is a counterfeit. Although you didn't post a picture of the reverse of the 1893 Morgan dollar, I suspect that it has an "S" on the reverse just above the D and O of DOLLAR. The 1893-S Morgan dollar is very rare and worth a lot of money. It is also heavily counterfeited. The shape of the numbers of the date of your coin are a dead giveaway. Here is your photo of your coin with a photo of the date of a genuine 1893-S Morgan dollar below it. Notice how the numerals of your coin appear fat and deformed compared to the photo of the date of the genuine coin.  Edited by cwb1877
10/19/2010 02:39 am
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cwb8539: That's a very nice photographic service you have provided. You have graphically shown how powerful comparative photography can really be. Thanks.
Comparative photography has been used since the First World War for many things including military reconnaissance. It will be used medically on me tomorrow in endoscopic examination.
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You are very welcome, Smaikl!  Your pictures are good! The more I look at the Chinese coin, the more I am suspicious of its authenticity. I can't say for certain that it is not authentic, but here is the reason I'm suspicious of it... Here are your photos in which I have pointed to a few areas of what appear to be raised bumps of metal. These little raised bumps are "red flags". They can be (but not always) telltale signs of a counterfeit.   Someone with more knowledge of Chinese coinage will be along to help you more than I can with the Chinese coin.  Quote:
my question is can the coins be counterfeited using silver as a metal? It is possible that coins can be counterfeited using real silver, but I would say that is the exception rather than the rule. These counterfeits are not usually made with real silver, or at most they may be silver plated. Edited by cwb1877
10/19/2010 04:03 am
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The Chinese coin seems counterfeit as well. The real one with the front-facing Sun Yat Sen is worth quite a lot. However, the denticles on the reverse is weak, and the relief on Dr. Sun's face is also very shallow. These are the signs of either bad casting or bad striking.
Have you tried a magnet with these coins?
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Quote:...what about the other side of 1893-S Morgan dollar ? Can you see the feature that could indicate counterfeiter? I still want to believe that these two coins are real and has the authentic value. Sorry, I know this isn't what you want to hear, but I am 100% certain that your 1893-S Morgan dollar is a counterfeit. The most obvious feature that convinces me beyond a shadow of a doubt is the date. The date of a genuine 1893-S (or any other genuine Morgan dollar for that matter) never has the fat and deformed numbers like what your coin displays. Here is a couple links to some more information regarding authentication of 1893-S Morgan dollars: http://www.vamworld.com/1893-S+VAMshttp://www.vamworld.com/1893-S+Fake+Gallery |
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I know nothing about the Chinese Dollar but do know the Morgan design pretty well and have to concur with cwb8539 that the Morgan you have is a counterfeit and probably has absolutely no silver content at all. Chances are the magnet thing will not tell you anything either but since I do not have any counterfeit Morgans to test a magnet on I am not sure because I do not know what type of metal they use. A magnet should not attract silver at all so if you get the slightest pull from this coin then you can be assured its fake 100% but if it doesn't attract that still doesn't mean its real because I can tell you it isn't, it just means they used some other type of metal (probably some pop metal) that isn't attractive to a magnet
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If you can also weight the coin! Chinese counterfeit coins usually are lighter IMO.
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The sad news are that the coin is not real, but my question is can the coins be counterfeited using silver as a metal? Because I showed this coin to jeweler and he said that this is a true solid silver coin.
And as to the fakes being real Silver, of course many are. The reason is the Chinese are making them for sale as a Numismatistic item and therefore demanding many times the Silver Values. They know one of the first things people do is weigh a coin so for the profit they make, why not use the real thing. |
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to the forum. Don't feel bad about the fakes, I have a dozen Chinese coins that are also fakes. My wife and I found them in Massachusetts on Cape Cod. She thought they were wonderful and I wasn't sure. I use mine as a counterfeit collection. I also learned they were counterfeits here. Keep asking questions, you have a free license to learn here. |
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very nice coins. ones a morgan. check ebay for the current values. |
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ones a morgan  No, not really. One is a FAKE Morgan. |
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