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Problem Free, Huh? (1871A French 2 Francs)

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 Posted 10/19/2010  6:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SeriousCERES to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Check this out. Highlights just how some sellers don't even look at what they're selling.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...220682212340

At least they pulled it, eventually. Someone must have tipped 'em off!
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 Posted 10/19/2010  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jeff 11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow some people really can be blind to alterations - shame though, if it wasn't for that would be a decent piece.
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10/19/2010 6:30 pm
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 Posted 10/19/2010  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see a problem with it for 99 cents. 28 Janvier 1871 is the date Paris capitulated to the Germans after a long siege, and this looks like sarcastic graffiti from the period. This is collectible.

Most of the graffiti on coins focused on Napoleon III, who surrendered the French Army to the Germans at Sedan. Here's a typical example:

http://www.numishop.com/ficheboutiq...&argretour=1
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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10/19/2010 9:14 pm
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 Posted 10/19/2010  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeriousCERES to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh yeah, thq, I love the graffiti'd centimes of Napoleon III. I've got a couple nice ones in the ol' col.

They are very collectible, as such. But that's precisely the problem here. If a seller is going to sell a graffiti'd coin, however, sell it AS a graffiti'd coin; don't sell it as "Problem Free XF".
At least acknowledge that it's been engraved with a date at 12 o'clock, and give their best understanding of what it is.

And there I should add one small detail: Paris didn't fall to the Prussians, Napoleon III fell to the Prussians at the Battle of Sedan. Jan. 28 '71 is the date of the signing of the Franco-Prussian Armistice.
Paris would-- quite tragically-- fall to the French later in the year (Cf. "Commune").

Still, I'm not sure the symbolism of marking the fall of a previous regime on the coinage of the 3rd Republic works as well-- the new government had just barely been formed shortly before the Armistice. The sarcasm works so much better when applied to the person of Napoleon III!

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 Posted 10/19/2010  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
See the problem here is that you read the description wrong, it says 'Problem - free', ie. the problem is for free, not that it is a problem free coin.
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 Posted 10/20/2010  06:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I consider this a "problem-free" coin. The problem is a seller who doesn't know it's value as a historic piece. It could be worth more for the graffiti than the condition to the right collector. But it belongs on french ebay to get that price.

As far as the fall of Paris goes, January 28 1871 is before the Commune, and marks the end of the German (er, Prussian) siege of Paris (2 days after the armistice). Another black day in French history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris

I'm glad to hear that someone else is piling up the French oddball coins, too. I'm fond of the overstruck and reengraved 2 decimes. And the degree to which French coins were counterfeited.....I recently picked up a seriously underweight Napoleon plated copper demi franc for $4. Like this guy on ebay with the 1871, another dealer who didn't know what he had.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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10/20/2010 06:59 am
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 Posted 10/20/2010  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augsburger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen a two different lots around the same time by two different people, both were "German" coins, and both were so obviously Austrian coins. I don't think a lot of people care, they put something down because they know that the buyer will generally pick on up stuff and if it is worth something it will rise!
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 Posted 10/20/2010  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice counter stamp.
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