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Bedrock of the Community
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zeewool, the question you asked last night has been one under a small debate for awhile about the disconnected leaf and how it came about. This has come up quite a few times in discussions about b1 reverse morgans I have had and the one that seems to make the most sense is that it was a hub defect Quote:zeewool I have to say I am very impressed, I think you have been playing with us because it seems you have a better handle on this VAM thing than you have let us to believe Quote:
Yeah right Bryan The reason I said this is because you have mirrored just about everything that someone else that I think is on top of the VAM game had said to me about this coin, all the way down to the reverse die didn't last long because of the poorly annealed die |
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Bedrock of the Community
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this is very exciting and can't wait for the results from Mr Van Allen. If this does turn out to be a new B1 Reverse how would one get NGC to add the VAM to the label since they have a B1 reverse registry set? Does anyone know? |
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This is gonna be big news folks... BIG NEWS!! Congrats... Oz is gonna be upset he has to find a new rare B1 reverse to complete his set. GREAT FIND!
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Bedrock of the Community
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it is on its way so I will let everyone know as soon as I do. I have all the coins here in a package getting ready to send to NGC to bring my #2 registry set of B1 reverse Morgans back up into the #1 slot but now don't know if I want to wait until this thing comes back before shipping them out or not. Quote:
Oz is gonna be upset he has to find a new rare B1 reverse to complete his set. GREAT FIND! This thing has been starring everyone who searches ebay in the face for months I just couldn't afford it so if this turns out to be something really big when they find out what coin it is they will really be kicking themselves. A friend of mine bought me this coin because they saw me looking at it on the computer as they were asking me what I wanted for Christmas and jokingly I said that and pointed to the computer screen, the next day they called me and told me to look at the page and saw it had been sold, then they said "Merry Christmas" and I about fell in the floor. I don't know when there was another B1 Reverse Morgan found because it was way before I had ever heard of the term VAM and never thought any more would be found in my life time so I am very very excited about this one. And to think if it hadn't been for a fresh set of eyes it would have just been thrown in the pile as a VAM-80. That is why forums like this is so valuable, you can get a fresh set of eyes on one specific item from anyone around the world that has the same interest as you have |
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Heh. This all happened so fast I never got a chance to put my Two Cents' worth in.  |
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Im sorry Dave, I guess the excitement got to me. I would still love to see your opinions on the forum. Especially since if it werent for you there is no telling how long this one would have gone unnoticed. I don't know if I would have looked closer at the coin once I got it in hand or not since I was so sure it was a VAM-80 from the pictures
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Not much to add. I knew before you got the coin that it was a new reverse die. This is big, Bryan, and you're at Ground Zero for it.  |
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Hence the name....(SUPERDave).
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Pillar of the Community
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Bryan, The more I look at your posted pictures, very nice photos, I really am of the opinion, this die very well, may have exploded on YOUR coin, or not long after this coin was struck........Leaving me to ponder just how many more are out there?
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Bryan, The more I look at your posted pictures, very nice photos, I really am of the opinion, this die very well, may have exploded on YOUR coin, or not long after this coin was struck........Leaving me to ponder just how many more are out there? That's the same thing I said to Bryan when we talked about this coin earlier: Quote:
I'm guessing the disconnected leaf was a hub issue, since differing dies had the same feature. Remember, in that period they were transitioning from 8TF through 7/8TF to B1 to B2 and finally the C reverse. This all happened in a period of about a month and a half, from late March through the middle of May 1878. People were furiously reworking hubs during this time. They changed the fellow in charge of hardening dies, and they changed the basining process.
What I'm getting at here is, stuff was a bit chaotic at the Mint during the beginning. Dies were living lives of greatly differing duration. The B1 Reverse was the first redesign, the 7/8TF's having been a panic reaction to orders to change things - they used the new B1 reverse hub with polished-down existing dies while new dies were being prepared. As near as I can tell, pretty much all of the B1 Reverses were struck around April 4-12, 1878 - it was also in this time that the first dies were sent to the western mints. As we know, the earliest issues from both San Francisco and Carson City were B1 Long Nocks. Philly could have struck B1 Reverses for only a week; it's known that the B2 reverse was a minor modification to the B1, done in early April.
I'm quite willing to believe there's a Disconnected Leaf reverse we're unaware of yet. Your coin is a tremendous strike, showing no wear and only a little flattening at the bottom of the wings and about the talons. Yet, it's already extensively cracked around the periphery. This die did not last long. |
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 Great coin and stunning as well, I hope all go's well with LVA. Keep us up on it, you should have it back in less than 2 weeks. So I wait with baited breath  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I am sitting on the edge of my seat as well. I have never found anything of importance before myself so I am very excited. None of the cracks look anything alike on the Reverse and even the die chips in the wing are totally missing. And as was said I don't think this reverse die lasted long at all so really doubt it could have lasted long enough to create all these different diagnostics
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as exciting as this is.....I DON'T believe this is an exploytation.....
AS long as 1878 has been researched. it doesn't mean that something has not been found.......Bryan as been a great contributor, not a exployter of circumstances.....If you brought this coin here....you would be excited too.....I think its an EDS......but that remains to be seen.......still WOW a new discovery in an old arena..
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If your submission results are not what I expect, then I recommend you resubmit and do the opposite of what that vampicker character told you to do in your letter......By all means, DWELL on the cracks.....They are, after all, thee smoking gun. They are the definitive proof (while not being listable) of a new B1. Quote:
And as was said I don't think this reverse die lasted long at all so really doubt it could have lasted long enough to create all these different diagnostics Heh, heh, You don't think the reverse lasted long ? There isn't much 'thinking' to do in that area Bryan. What is the obverse condition of the the top pop V-80 ? Considering what Dave said (and I do not feel that he put enough emphasis on this) about the chaotic state of the Philly Engraving Dept. and Die Room in those early days, there is absolutely no doubt that the obverse die was not repolished for use with the v-80 reverse. The obverse die of your coin realistically never left the press while the reverse was removed and replaced with the v-80 reverse. Die life on your reverse could not have been more than a very few short minutes if that. If any more are ever found, they too will have DMPL surfaces unless time is less favorable than it has been to yours. I doubt that your coin will ever make a Hit or Hot List because you own it rather than the proprietor of such list. The only way such a coin will make it to such a list will be for you to sell it to the originator of the list, and then the justification for adding it will be some crock about motivation for folks to find another despite the odds. Personally, I don't believe in immaculate miracles or the lottery, so that is why I am so cynical about certain 'lists' and the arrogance and egotism that creates them. Quote:
So I wait with baited breath Russ, have you tried Aquafresh or Colgate Total? Both of those brands might help clear up that affliction for you. |
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