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 Posted 11/08/2010  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have always wanted one of these for my collection but I do not know the series well enough to tell the fakes from the real deal so I have never purchased one
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 Posted 11/08/2010  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My local shop has 10 of these .. I can get for $12 each ..
I am in the same boat .. I don't know how to tell if fake .. or if they are silver.
They do have a very powerful magnet .. this coin shows no sign of moving .. with the magnet.
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 Posted 11/09/2010  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
maybe someone that knows the series better will chime in to let you know if they are real or fake, the magnet test isn't fool proof because allot of fakes do not stick to a magnet
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 Posted 11/09/2010  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brokencompass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You could may be use one of this test kits to see what it shows. If it "is" sterling silver, may be you could get me a Trade dollar too? :P
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 Posted 11/09/2010  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have no problem picking up a some extras of these for other members.

But it would be nice if some of the experts on here would chime in.

Good or bad ... fake or real it would be nice to know.

Bryan1313 .. I was reading some other post last night .. where the magnet test
does not mean anything. Do you think the tissue test would tell anything in
this case.
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 Posted 11/09/2010  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brokencompass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot to add the link for a silver test kit!

http://www.sterling-silver.ws/artic...-testing.htm
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 Posted 11/09/2010  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A couple of remarks.
I've been looking all over, for small details on these pieces. If they're fakes they're expertly made. I cannot find anything wrong design-wise. The difference in weight bothers me though, they are not that worn.
By the way, Trade dollars are not sterling, they are supposed to be .900 fine.
The silver test kit suggested by compass will not work if they are plated with silver, unless you damage the coin severely.
Quote from the link provided by compass:
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Don't be a "price sucker." Silver prices are set globally. If someone is offering you sterling silver at a price that is unbelievably good, then you are probably being offered fake silver or silver plating.
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 Posted 11/09/2010  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brokencompass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These coins have .78 Oz of silver. That is worth 20$. Even if you ripped the coin into many pieces, tested each piece for silver using a .900 test kit. You would still not lose any money since your coin costed you just $12. Once you are armed with this information, you can always buy the rest of the coins and make $50-60 just for its bullion value, leave alone its numismatic value.
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What do others think.

If I bought one of these, just to cut in half. I guess that would help with the testing
for silver. But would it tell anything else? Like possible casting vs struck with die?
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The edge photos clearly show an incorrect edge reeding. Looks like a roller applied edge with a slight overlap or perhaps a simple ring die with poorly crafted reeds.

The weights are very close to correct so it could possibly be silver, but I would be suspicious that the thickness or diameter may have been increased to get the weight near correct. I would suggest a Specific Gravity test will tell.

The surface of the coin looks like a transfer process was used to copy an original to make the dies or molds. The die surfaces are not crisp enough to be real and seem to show typical pebbling seen on Modern Chinese copies.

British-Trade-Dollars

Have you checked to make sure the coin is not magnetic? Many are.
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Thanks swamperbob
After reading some post where you talked about the reading, and looking at thses,
I was leaning toward them being fake. And now reading your opinion I fully agree.

Again thank you for taking the time to take a look at them.
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