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Morgan VAM, Which One?

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 Posted 08/24/2006  7:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add morganman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
1921 D

Help me here. I cannot find this one. It is "similiar" to VAM1X, but much smaller.

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Morgan-VAM,-Which-One?

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 Posted 08/24/2006  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You shoulda felt my heartbeat when I saw that thing.

Rim Cuds like that aren't unheard of. It's an example I haven't seen before, and it doesn't appear in the listings. There are some smaller Cuds called out on other VAM's, secondary to the feature which identifies the VAM.

Can we look a little harder at the rest of the coin, and see if it's an established VAM in a late die state?
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 Posted 08/24/2006  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morganman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, when I first saw it I was going thru about 15 rolls of 1921's. Out of those. I picked out about 30 various die cracks and VAMs. This one I thought was just another rim dinged coin with a few die cracks, until I turned it sideways and saw nothing had struck it in that area.

Then, I got interested

I will get it back out later and scan it and get much better resolutions on the coin.

One other sad note is that at some time in the past, somebody cleaned this one..

Here are some better ones of it:

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Morgan-VAM,-Which-One?

Morgan-VAM,-Which-One?

Morgan-VAM,-Which-One?

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08/24/2006 10:15 pm
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Something else I just noticed. This one has about 10 degrees of die rotation between obverse and reverse. I actually put another coin beside it and then measured with a compass.

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what in the world is going on with all these new looking 1921's coming out of the wood work nowadays? is it because just now people are actually paying attention to 1921 more than before? I know when I first started collecting Morgans I bet I had 60 or 70 1921's and I thought of them as junk coins even though they were BU, I sold all but about 4 of them (the worst looking 4 I had) because I thought they weren't worth selling and actually found out I have a 1a in the 4 I kept and no matter what the ones I sold were, I am sure some of them were some kind of pretty nice VAM's. At the time I didn't even know what the term VAM meant so I never even looked at the coins for stuff like that, if they had cracks and stuff I just thought they were ugly coins that no one would want. Boy wish I had them to go through now just to check
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 Posted 08/24/2006  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morganman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by morganman

Something else I just noticed. This one has about 10 degrees of die rotation between obverse and reverse. I actually put another coin beside it and then measured with a compass.

Here it is on right compared to another dollar side by side. I aligned the front sides and then flipped the square cases.

Morgan-VAM,-Which-One?

Now, I REALLY have no idea what, if any VAM it is....

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08/24/2006 11:12 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Bryan1315

what in the world is going on with all these new looking 1921's coming out of the wood work nowadays? is it because just now people are actually paying attention to 1921 more than before? I know when I first started collecting Morgans I bet I had 60 or 70 1921's and I thought of them as junk coins even though they were BU, I sold all but about 4 of them (the worst looking 4 I had) because I thought they weren't worth selling and actually found out I have a 1a in the 4 I kept and no matter what the ones I sold were, I am sure some of them were some kind of pretty nice VAM's. At the time I didn't even know what the term VAM meant so I never even looked at the coins for stuff like that, if they had cracks and stuff I just thought they were ugly coins that no one would want. Boy wish I had them to go through now just to check




Actually, YOU were into VAMS when I first joined this site, I had never even thought of them. I posted a picture of what I tought was a die crack, and you told me what VAM it was (1F I think it was)Lately, on the nights when nothing is on TV (Which is a lot) I find myself digging into the dollar rolls looking for VAMs. SO I guess you are to blame for my interest....

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This site was what got me started as well, the first thing I thought was something was actually not anything at all but the responses got me looking at the rest of my morgans and I found quite a few, even the one I showed that the part I was looking at was nothing was a VAM-16 1878 8 TF. Not long after joining this site I bought the VAM book (may have been the first night I got the first response) and it has been nothing but VAM's since then. Before I was just concentrating on a date/mint set and now I have probably 50 or so 1878's alone, my how the times have changed
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 Posted 08/28/2006  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morganman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reply from Leroy Van Allen:

21 D Morgan $ has fine line die cracks on obv & rev which we don't list as they are very common. Only list wide & high die breaks that are chunks out of die visible to naked eye.
Rim Cuds are another thing we don't list as they are fairly common. Only list Cuds that extend down across denticles into field near letters or stars.
Hope this helps.
Leroy Van Allen

I don't make the grade with this one...On to the next find

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 Posted 10/12/2006  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ronnelson12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a newbie but I've been reading about the " VAM variations" on the forum. Is there an online source to learn more about these?

By the way, I discovered that I have a VAM 40 (1878 Morgan dollar, as most you may already know.) Where might I find a "value listing" for this coin?

Thanks

Ron in Albuquerque
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I'm posting this here 'cuz the link I'm having trouble with is here. I clicked on "Uploading Images" but I get an "oops error page" when I try to use it. My problem? Link Problem?

I do want to learn how to upload an image to the forum (see my earlier post on my VAM40).

Thanks

Ron in Albuquerque
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