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Imitation 1/2 Guinea - Or Something Else?

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 Posted 11/12/2010  12:14 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Silver Girl to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all -
I have what appears to be an imitation 1/2 Guinea. It's not gold but it doesn't look like other imitation 1/2's I've seen pics of, nor does it totally resemble a real one - aside from not being gold, it has a different design around the rim. The date matches the king on the obverse (pretty sure) and the "alphabet soup" (as I call it) on the back is correct for a real 1/2 Guinea. I've enclosed pics of the obverse and reverse. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it's worth, if anything? Thanks!

Imitation-1/2-Guinea---Or-Something-Else?

Imitation-1/2-Guinea---Or-Something-Else?
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 Posted 11/12/2010  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to be a gambling token of the spade guinea. http://users.pullman.com/fjstevens/...ns/4146.html
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 Posted 11/12/2010  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all, welcome to the forum!
I agree that it looks like an imitation half-guinea, all the design, minus the braid around the rim. The kings effigy is quite crude, I doubt it could fool anybody in the believing it was a real thing. So, I can't really say what the purpose of this thing was, but it does look like it's a contemporary imitation.
The "alphabet soup" was reproduced very diligently, "M.B.F.ET.H.REX.F.D.B.ET.L.D.S.R.I.A.T.ET.E", which stands for "King of Great Britain, France and Ireland,Defender of the Faith,Duke of Brunswick and Lueneburg, Arch-Treasurer and Elector of the Holy Roman Empire".
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 Posted 11/13/2010  04:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add argentumandcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears to be cast in brass.
They were used as gaming counters for cards primarily and were never meant to deceive, hence the crudeness.
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 Posted 11/24/2010  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver Girl: Welcome to the CCF!

I prefer your 'alphabet soup' idea. No wonder you can't find that sort of legend these days. I seriously doubt that most people who saw the original coin, with the education they had, had any idea what that gobbledygook meant.

German coins had a lot of this type of verbose and abbreviated legend.

I think that the duke or whoever it may concern got about a buck fifty for each of his titles!
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 Posted 11/26/2010  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Girl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I knew what the alphabet soup was all about - it was in a guidebook/catalog, though I'm not sure which one.
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 Posted 11/27/2010  05:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I certainly knew what all those abbreviations meant, because I have a book reference, but what about the general population of 1800? I bet the average citizen with the average education of the time, did not have much of an idea of what the legend meant.

Without a reference, I will readily admit that I would not have had much of a clue myself.
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