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1830 William IV Enamelled Brooch

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 Posted 11/25/2010  11:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add read_smart_ease to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi - I have a family heirloom - it appears to be a 1830 enamelled half-crown brooch. At least, the part I can see looks like the back side of this coin, however I cannot see that these were made in 1830. It is a lovely brooch - in a proper setting, not just a clasp attached, it says "Registered Silver" on it. The date on the front says 1830.
Any assistance in identifying this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance :)

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 Posted 11/25/2010  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jakeW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome. maybe a picture would help us out?
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Is the date on the coin or on the mounting? As 1830 saw the change of the guard, from George IV to William IV there was no large denomination silver coins minted that year including halfcrowns. Just Maundy types.
It could be a jeweler copy coin made for a special occasion. If you post a picture we probably could help you more.

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 Posted 11/25/2010  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chequer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is one on ebay (there are links to several of these if you google your thread title):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...350405618553

Is this similar? Looks very impressive
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 Posted 11/26/2010  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add read_smart_ease to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow - thanks for the fast response... I will try to get a pic tomorrow, dont have my camera here today. The date is on the part that I think is a coin.
It looks a lot like the pic attached that I found online, but rather than a stuck on clasp, the mount comes surrounds the back side of the coin with a small flange overlapping the front, and is well finished.
The date is definately 1830. It is in the same place as the 1834 in the attached pic. Thanks for thinking about this with me, I've been looking online for info, but have not found anything from this year, so I am kind of puzzled.
Thanks :)

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 Posted 11/26/2010  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Enamelled coins were a fashion in the 1800s. They were not officially made by the mint, they were made by jewellers from coins pulled out of circulation.

From a numismatic perspective, an enamelled coin is a damaged coin. Since most coins don't have a high enough relief to hold enamel, the enameller would have had to carve away much of the original surface of the side of the coin that was being enamelled. However, seeing such a piece as merely a "damaged coin" is to look at it wrongly! It has become a work of art in it's own right, with a value completely independent of the value of the coin it was originally made from.

Enamelling is something of a lost art today, with epoxy resins largely replacing it in badges, jewellery etc. Each colour had to be fired separately; the more colours a piece had, the more difficult it was to make (with a resulting increase in expense). The one above from the ebay lot is a six-colour piece (red, yellow, black, dark blue, light blue and green). They were even a little enthusiastic about applying lots of colours; the actual coat of arms at the time had fewer than that.

As for the date: as I said, the original surface of the coin has been significantly altered. It wouldn't have been too hard for the enameller to put whatever date on the coin he wished. This design was not used on halfcrowns until the William IV series was issued in 1831. As svslav said, 1830 was the year George IV died and William IV ascended the throne; I suspect this piece might have been made from one of those early 1831 coins, and sold at the time of the coronation in 1831.
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