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1170 Cap And Rays (Only In The Philippines)

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Definitely this 1170 Caps & Rays coin is not on Riddell or any book mentioning counterfeits. This is an amulet silver coin that was used by some Religious sect and is usually called Anting-anting. It was part of our culture as Filipinos to accept reality that there exist people who believes in these amulets. For me I consider these silver coins as lucky charms, and collected these ones as part of Filipino Heritage coins because of it's abundance in terms of historical background. I mentioned this "only in the Philippines" because there was a time that members of certain cult here even used these kind of amulets as their protector in tribal wars...believing they will not be affected by any bullet...
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 Posted 11/17/2010  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks cool whatever it is. Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 11/17/2010  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pandesalapi I for one would be VERY interested in acquiring a few of that type. If there are very many varieties - it could become a sub-type "based on use" in my proposed book. There are other examples of Spanish Dollar designs being used for a variety of purposes, but the Cap and Ray 8R was not used too many times for non-monetary purposes.

I would definitely like to know more about this interesting variety.
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 Posted 11/17/2010  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pandesalapi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I for one would be VERY interested in acquiring a few of that type

swamperbob : My friend collects all varieties of this type of so-called anting-anting silver coins. Todate his collection reached around 62 different specimens.
If it's for your book in which a lot of numismatist will gain from, PM me re:your address, I'll send you this one - no charge
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 Posted 12/10/2010  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The very interesting coin/medal has arrived.

The date is 1770 (the second digit has a lightly engraved crossbar).

Does the date 1770 have any significance in the history of the Philippines or of the group that used the coin?

Also how common is the type? and is there anyplace where more examples would be available? I would also be interested in a catalog of photographs of your friend's collection. It would make a great sub-section.

I want to thank you publicly for sending this coin to me.
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 Posted 12/10/2010  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisnut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I can say is"wow".
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Does the date 1770 have any significance in the history of the Philippines or of the group that used the coin?

Also how common is the type? and is there anyplace where more examples would be available? I would also be interested in a catalog of photographs of your friend's collection. It would make a great sub-section

There is no particular significance on the date 1770 in Philippine history that I know of.
I will try to ask my friend (well-known collector at the same time office in a Coin Club here) if he is willing to take pictures of his complete anting-anting coins.
The religious sect that used some of these coins was under their leader Valentin Delos Santos. As of the moment I have not heard from them even in news here.
Likewise Thanks Bob for your commitment to share to us your knowledge, and the pleasure is mine giving that coin to you as well
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There are a few associations between the date 1770 and the Philippines that I located on Google.

1. 1770 was the date that Bacolod City was founded. Perhaps the location has an affiliation with the Anting-anting.

2. Simon de Anda y Salazár became Gov.-General by appointment.

3. 1770 is the date used by some historians to pin point the date that Spain gained firm control of the rural sections of the Philippines. It therefore marks the end of the pre-Spanish era.

4. The expulsion of the Jesuits was completed (could mark the start of a religious counter-movement.

I was unable to locate much on the movement associated with the Anting-anting written in English But I have seen other forgeries of Spanish 8Rs dated 1770. Recently I was cataloging a Ferdinand VII coin with a 1770 date. The age is very uncertain but it is odd that the same date was chosen.

If anyone else has any information as to why this date was used or any theories - please write.

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swamperbob: could you post an image of the other side of the "coin"? Surely you have already done the relative density test, is it silver? Is it cast or struck?

In relation to the date... between 1762-1764 there was a revolt around San Carlos City (Binalatongan) in the Negros Occidental Province in Philippines known as the "Palaris Revolt", its leader was Pantaleon Perez also known as Juan Palaris, due to his skill fencing a rattan or bamboo cane. Palaris was said to possess the power of an anting-anting which made him invincible. The Spaniards eventually defeated Palaris, but at a very high cost, since more than 1200 rebels were killed with a vast destruction of property. Charles III heard of these facts (basically the destruction of the premier city of a province including its main church) and ordered the transfer of the city to another place for a new beginning and a new name for it (San Carlos City). The construction of the new church began in 1770, built with bricks the building is 89 meters long, 22 meters width and a height of 18 meters.

So maybe an amulet invoking the invincibility of Palaris with the date of the new church, but this is a very local event, and the anting-anting as mentioned are widespread in the Philippines, so who knows...
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