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1755 Pillar Copy

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 Posted 11/17/2010  5:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add odentheviking to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here is my first and favorate Copy Pillar. This is a good example of what I was talking about, were they did a good job on the artwork, and even did a pretty good job on the edge, but really missed on the lettering. It looks yellow, but it is not a brass coin covered in silver, I think the silver is such a low grade it turns yellow. It's a 1755, 26 grams, and rings pretty good but not true.


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 Posted 11/17/2010  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
odentheviking Looks like a nice earlier Numismatic copy. These were often made from transfer impressions. Depending upon the method used - the image can transfer VERY UNEVENLY. Normally the area near the perimeter of the die - where the lettering is - comes out weak and it is re-engraved out of necessity. I believe that is what accounts for the poor lettering that you point out. If they had actually engraved the "artwork" it would be just as BAD.

A weak initial impression made by transfer often needs some touch up work. Always look for evidence of that type of action being taken. But be aware that you need to be able to identify a repaired die and tell the difference.

Also be aware that the newer silver copies are MUCH better looking than this one and they ring correctly. They usually sell for $15 over bullion. I am working on a date set for Mexico City of that specific type.
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 Posted 11/17/2010  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add odentheviking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quote: "Also be aware that the newer silver copies are MUCH better looking than this one and they ring correctly."

Very true Sir. Here is the one that fooled me. I took this one to four local coin shops and all said it was real. Rings true, 26.4 grams, It was not until I took it to a National Coin show in Denver, and had an expert look it over w/a micro-scope that it was shown to be a modern copy.

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 Posted 11/17/2010  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pandesalapi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
By the looks of its edge alone signifies it's counterfeit. Fake Pillar Dollars are really almost everywhere nowadays.
Sad part is, it is continously developing stronger eye appeal that sometimes, it is almost in perfect state as the genuine ones.
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Quote: "By the looks of its edge alone signifies it's counterfeit."

This is what I thought when I got it! But two of the local dealers (That claim to know these coins), and two of the dealers at the National Show said the edge was fine, not the common edge you see but still fine. ?
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I'm glad that most of the modern cap & ray counterfeits are still crude and can be spotted a mile away but getting into the pillars is going to take some researching.
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 Posted 11/19/2010  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With regard to the 1770 Counterfeit - the edge design is totally wrong - it looks like a deep outline was cut into the edge but little or none of the detail of the Lotus was included. The dealers that thought such an edge was real are "suspect" at best.

I would also point to the distortion of the dentils (a wavy appearance) as evidence of the coin being edged AFTER the strike. That would be an incorrect priority for such a late 8R. In the 1770's the vast majority of planchets were EDGE BEFORE the coin was struck. That priority produces FLAT dentils.
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