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What Happened To These Pennies ?

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 Posted 08/28/2006  1:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stmpcol to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Penny #1 looks like the obverse die just broke to pieces. No damage to the reverse. Penny #2 Shows brush marks, but no damage to the rim. Did this happen at the mint?

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 Posted 08/28/2006  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
number 2 has been heavily polished and 1 is hard to see, worn die and havy circulation , is what first comes to mine, welocme to the forum stmpcol, which I assume is stamp collector we have quite a few of those on this forum, my self included
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 Posted 08/28/2006  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does the top one have a granular texture to it? The color looks "off" and the surface almost looks like it had a weak acid on it that dissolved some of the copper, but not quite down to the zinc core. I think I can almost see some concentric, irregular rings on the surface left by a liquid. If the picture was closer it would be easier to see detail. The bottom one looks like someone placed it on a belt sander briefly
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08/28/2006 3:15 pm
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 Posted 08/28/2006  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cearnan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the first penny, is the coin abnormally thin?
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 Posted 08/28/2006  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stmpcol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both of these pennies came out bank rolled 1996 cents. Niether is abnormally thin. As for the belt sander, I don't think so. How could you do damage to the interior of the coin and not damage the rim ?
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 Posted 08/28/2006  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im surprised no one noticed the missing details on the second coin.

Its possibly a struck through ,, the pics are to small to be sure .

The first coin will need to be enlarged to even give us a chance at it.

Rick
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 Posted 08/28/2006  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stmpcol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are about as big as I can get. Any bigger and the file is to large to transfer.

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Hi stmpcol

Lets try these .

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Rick
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 Posted 08/29/2006  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the first one I have contemplated what biokemist6, has said about number 1 and it makes sense but I have to stand by #2 as a polished coin weather it be by hand or what, thats what it appears as, now what Metalman said about I would have to say I think the detail might look like that with a struck through but I am not that confident with my knowledge on that one, So I don't know.. Good luck
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08/29/2006 04:31 am
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 Posted 08/29/2006  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add errorfinder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just for clarity. did you mean a bank wrapped roll,that had only 1996 cents in it? any ways welcome aboard . hope you stick around even if ya stump us, on these, Two Cents ...as for my Two Cents worth; ;i'd 'guess' strike through for the first one. on the second there might be a combination of things going on with the strike; first the die could be over polished (abraded die)with a lite strike (pressure was weak)2nd the combination could be a number of things like a hard planchet (not annealed properly,'not softened').the second coin could be subject of [paraphrased 'die adjustment striking'. when the 'die setter installs the die pair ,feeder fingers and die collar up in the press.the setter will strike several test coins to check centering of the dies as well as they distance between them ect.as this is being done the striking pressure is gradually increased.those struck are to be distroyed, but their escape into circulation 'would be assumed accidental'.to help in this determine this the reverse will have to be equally 'weak'].info credited to author 'alan herbert'
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 Posted 08/29/2006  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi errorfinder

The reverse of both coins are pictured in the first post, they seem to be very nice with no anomolies,,

Im leaning toward struck throughs on both coins, the second may be through textile the first through grease,,

Rick
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 Posted 08/29/2006  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stmpcol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Both coins came out of 1996 only bank rolls. A friend of my wife runs a convenience store. When she was short of help I used to help her out. This allowed me to get my hands on lots odd ball coins, U.S. and foreign.
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 Posted 09/01/2006  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gusp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Again. I go with MM. Whacked coin looks struck thru. However, from pics, I think I see another 2nd coin struck on obv. This may indicate a capped die strike onto this coin. Study coin close to see if this is case and more importantly seek to determine if this possible cap die strike is from yet another denomination. Hope this helps. Gusp`
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