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1878 8TF Bryan1315 This One Is For You

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 Posted 08/29/2006  12:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stmpcol to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Bryan, now that I see the pictures, I'm not sure you can help. On the obverse all 4 digits on the date are doubled left. All stars are doubled left. Under neck line doubled left. All lettering has some doubling. On the reverse all lettering has some doubling. Arrow heads & shafts clearly doubled. Eagles beak and tongue clearly doubled. Entire wreath shows doubling. Have any ideas on VAM# or is this a restrike?

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 Posted 08/29/2006  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am trying to blow them up to see more detail now, I will tell you what I find out. It is a beautiful coin I can tell you that right now
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 Posted 08/29/2006  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, from what I can tell from the photo's (which I am not 100% sure) it seems to be a VAM-19. Remember these pictures aren't the best to go by but from what you have said and from what I can see on the coin it has the attributes of the VAM-19. The main thing that makes me say its a VAM-19 is it looks like the top berry on the left wreath shows a large bulge along its base and the berry right across it is supposed to be a leaf, but on the VAM-19 it is a berry
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 Posted 08/29/2006  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is what the 8Tf book has to say about the VAM-19
Obverse Attribution Insights:
The VAM-19 Obverse is the first die stage of the VAM-19,VAM-18,VAM-20 sequence. All share the same Obverse with LIBERTY strongly doubled upwards and to the left, the date showing spectacular doubling to the right,and the stars on both sides of the date strongly doubled and tripled. Close examination will also reveal that Liberty's eye is tripled just under the eyelid. Unlike VAMs 18 and 20, the VAM-19 can be found with full Proof-like and/or DMPL surfaces, as might be expected since it was the first die pair used with this Reverse. VAM-19 specimens, although among the most common of the 8TF varieties, most often have one characteristic that sets them apart, namely outstanding eye appeal. Such specimens often bring a large premium in the market place

Reverse Attribution Insights:
Two different 8-TF varieties share this same Reverse, The VAM-19 and the "TOP100" VAM-23. On the Reverse of the VAM-19, "ONE" shows minimal doubling, but there is a die chip at the middle right inside of the "O". Also, the tops of the letters in DOLLAR are doubled away from the rim and the bottom of "AR" shows a major shift. And like VAM-18 which shares the same Obverse, the top inside berry on the left wreath shows a large bulge along its base and the adjacent leaf has been made into an "extra berry". However, unlike the VAM-18, the leaf above the inside berry is not doubled. Considering strike,lack of bagmarks and abrasions, and attractivelness, a collector who needs a high grade 8-TF example for his non-variety Morgan dollar set would do well to aquire a VAM-19 specimen
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 Posted 08/29/2006  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stmpcol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great work Bryan1315!!!! After reading the attributes you posted and rechecking the coin, I believe you hit the nail square on the head. Thanks
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Like I said, its definately a beautiful coin and one I would be proud to have in my collection. That is also one of the 1878 VAM's I do not have yet because I have been mainly been focusing on the 7tf versions at this time, but I have picked up a few 8TF VAM's here and there along the way when they were available to me
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 Posted 08/29/2006  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just keep me in mind, if ya ever wanna sell it, if I dont already have one of that specific VAM by then I will be interested
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 Posted 08/29/2006  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stmpcol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Bryan but I'm trying to get these in order to pass down to my grandchildren. Stamps were and still is my first love. The coins I inherited from my dad. Pennies thru halfs I've been able to maintain by ordering mint and proof sets since 1986. But thanks for all the help...
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 Posted 08/29/2006  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coin, stmpcol.
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 Posted 08/29/2006  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh man no thanks needed I love looking and attributing any and all 1878 morgans. I definately understand you wanting to keep the coin I just was kind of making a joke about me buying it from you. I am sure when the time comes I will find a specimen I like good enough to add to my 1878 VAM collection. I do have to say, if that coin was mine I dont think the mail man could get it to PCGS fast enough because that thing looks like a strong 65 (to me anyway)
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 Posted 08/29/2006  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also notice that you are fairly new to the forum and was just wondering what brought you to the conclusion that I would know which VAM this coin was? I am just curious to how you came to the knowledge of my love for 1878 VAM's
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 Posted 08/30/2006  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stmpcol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bryan, I read one of your other replies and after 61 years you just get a sense. This guy has done some research and knows what he's talking about.I have two 78s, one I believe is a VAM 38, the other a VAM 100. I'll get some pictures up soon.
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 Posted 08/30/2006  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The VAM-100 is a TOP100 Morgan so that one would be a good find, and if you have a 7/8 that looks anywhere near what that one right there looks like you have a winner. I have a VAM-37 myself that was one of the first coins that got me interested in 1878 VAM's. I had a 7/8TF and a 8TF and I joined this forum because of them because I started looking closer at my coins and noticed some dramatic doubling on both of them and I had heard the term VAM but didn't really know what it meant, well the 8TF turned out to be a VAM-16 (not a real big deal but was great to me) and the 7/8 we all thought was a VAM-36 and I had it marked as such (with a piece of tape for months) so I just put them aside and started looking at all of my Morgans (which I had already had 80% of a date set complete) and found I had quite a few VAM's and some were TOP100 and HOT50 coins. I just kept looking back at those two 1878 Morgans for some reason, and the more I read the VAM book (that I acquired after joining this forum)the more interested I became in 1878 VAM's. I started looking closer at my 7/8TF and then discovered we had all attributed it wrong, it wasn't a 36 at all it was actually a 37 (which was no big deal either but still very exciting to me). The 36 and 37 share the same reverse so it was easy to get them mixed up the only difference is on the Obverse there is some bulging at the bottom of E and P of E PLURIBUS. Anyway that is what got me started on this long road to acquire each and every 1878 VAM that I could get my hands on, sorry for the long story but just felt like sharing
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