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Can someone explain how this could happen, or maybe how the minting proces works with these kind of coins (how does the hole get made?) I have several of thesec oins, but none like this!    |
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easy, take a drill to it. or if it was done at an earlier time, a hammer and nail. of course there's 10's of thousands of ways more. this is not an error, just PMDEdited by Adam_E
11/28/2010 09:44 am
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yes possible, but in my opinion it's not what is going on here, it stopped exactly at the half of the 2 sides. That is why I ask if womeone knows how these coins were made. It looks like one side is fine, but the other one is obviously not. And it doesn't really look like a drilled hole, because you would probably see a rougher edge. I'm just thinking out loud here, but I did take it in consideration it's a homemade (if you mean that with PMD?) Sorry I'm Dutch so don't understand all the american terms yet ;) |
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yes, PMD is homemade, or post mint damage the damage could have been done with ANYTHING, it could have been drilled, and then further damaged on one side with another tool. there is no way this was done at any mint |
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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Here is a normal one to compare:   |
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United States
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oh, wait. they come originally holed? then this MIGHT be a holing error, but I don't see how it would happen, the blanks are holed before they get struck and they all go through quality control. I think there would be something else going on if it were. I'm still going with PMD, but we should wait for the world coin experts to chime in Edited by Adam_E
11/28/2010 10:06 am
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Netherlands
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adam thanks for the reply, but I would never say never... Look at this similair coin (5 centimes) It also has a small error near the edge. In fact a lot of them have it, but not as much as the first. And it obviously has more worn to it then these ones. Also I wonder how this coin was made, it looks like 2 sides are being put together?! Anyway I'm open to some other suggestions as well... otherwise I will have to go with homemade    |
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yes indeed the hole comes natural to it hahah, I kown a lot of you americans are not so familiar with the "dark side" :)
But I thought I would try, because there is a lot of combined expertise on this awsome forum!
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Pillar of the Community
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well if it happens a lot it might just be a common error.
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It happens reguraly in my experience, meaning in my french coin colllection, I saw รก handfull that were of target so to speak. But common it is deffinetly not, especially not the first one... so hoping anyone can explain the minting process or any other information about these coins.
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The PMD team needs to consult its Krause catalogs: these coins were holed AT THE MINT! A kindred soul (meaning a fellow French coin collector), I can attest to the fact that for all the holed centime series--5, 10, 25--there are all kinds of varieties and errors out there: non-holed, off-center holed, incomplete-holed... I don't know what the process was to make the holes for these, my book doesn't provide any detail on this. But these were very high mintage numbers, and the quality control clearly wasn't quite there yet! The incomplete hole photographed at the top of this page is an error coin; the slightly off-center one nearer the bottom is a pretty standard hole position on these coins. However, the more interesting detail is in the "C" at right: indeed, it looks like you have something VERY interesting going on there. It looks like the impression of an upside-down "F", or at least of the stylized shape of the top part of the F, and this is how this sort of thing can happen: if the coin dies clash without metal in the collar, the dies can transfer design elements. In this case, part of the F design from the reverse was transferred to the obverse die, and then imprinted onto all subsequent coin strikes until getting replaced. US coin dealers and collectors go bananas for this type of effect on coins; the grading companies attribute these. You've got a nice piece here, and I'd put its worth as an error well above that of the messed-up hole up above. -SCS |
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Thanks for the elaborate response Ceres! And indeed, this coin might be more interesting then the top one, however I have so many coins with mintage errors, it's difficult to keep up with all of them :)
And this one was quiet obvious so I picked this one for today. But I have to agree, the 5 centimes 1922 has some weird die error in the right region (don't knkow what it is, but your explenation makes some sense out of it)
I will definetly make some more pics in the daylight, so it's more clear then the picture above.
For now I will take your explenation and do some looking at all my French holed coins :)
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