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2 Semi Unidentified Coins (What Kind Of Material?)

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 Posted 11/29/2010  10:08 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kingz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
These 2 are my last remaining unidentified coins, and you can see why Although 1 of them has a date on it This is obviously not done by me but the antique dealer I bought it from probably
But I guess I'm the stupid one for buying them heheheh, but at least they were not all this bad. (See my questions below the pictures)

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Anyway on topic, my question first is: which coins are they?
My guess is:
#1 - 1/2 Penny, 1806 30mm - KM662
#2 - Farthing, 1806 28mm - KM661

Then as far as the composition of materials: I'm thinking one of them might be a mixture of Bronzed Copper (I don't no how I can spot it though, but they are deffinetly different in composition and weight, and Krause says normaly they are made of copper. But some 1/2 Penny's are made of Bronzed Copper. The Farthings were also made of copper, but some were also made in Bronzed Copper & Gilt? Copper!

And those are way more valuable (not that my coins are in this state ) Maybe I'm totally wrong with my analyses, but I'm obviously not an expert! So any feedback or information is welcome!

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Actually, I believe, both of these are halfpennies. The farthings of KG3 were the biggest in 1700's at 23-24 mm, and dropping to 21-22 mm in 1806/07.

I also believe the bigger one is date-misidentified. The effigy is clearly the 1st design by C.H Kuchler which was used exclusively in 1799. The size is also consistent for in 1799 The KG3 halfpenny was the largest at 30-31 mm.

In 1806/07 the effigy was redesigned (same guy though) - more narrow, and the coin decreased in size, to 29 mm, as the price of copper increased.

Speaking of the material. The reason the bronzed copper is more expensive in the catalog because it was done in proof version. In Coincraft they talk about pennies and farthings done in bronzed proof and gilt proof but say nothing about halves in bronzed version, only gilt. If you believe either of you coins used to be proof they could be gilted. (In 1806 the edge on proof halves was grained.)

Now, for the Krause,
The bigger coin has to be 1/2d 1799, KM#647
The smaller coin 1/2d 1806 or 07, KM#662
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Because of the considerable wear, I seriously if they would be of bronzed copper; Such coins most probably would not have seen circulation. If they were circulated bronzed copper, the bronze would all have been worn off with this amount of wear.

If they were intended for circulation which is by far the most probable, they would have been struck from (nominally) copper. It may have contained perhaps less than 1% tin.
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1799 halpenny and 1806 halfpenny.
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