Great Britain, Farthing, 1860, ID Help!

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Tomten Valued Member Sweden 159 Posts	Posted 11/30/2010 4:02 pm Hello there. I've found this Farthing from 1860. When I check in my World Coins 1801-1900 catalog, there are various versions of this coin. Different obv legends, as; Obv.legend: Victoria Dei Gratia Obv.legend: Victoria D:G:BRIT:REG:F:D Obv.legend: Victoria D:G:BRITT:REG:F:D My coin 'clearly' has what is supposed to be "BRITT" but looks like BRIII. However, according to the catalog, the farthings with "BRITT" were first minted in 1874. But mine says 1860. Also, if you see the "T" in Farthing, it looks the same as the "BRITT", some die-error with the letter T? So I don't know what to ID this coin as.. anyone know anything? Thanks! Moved to British Coins forum - Sap Report this Post to the Staff

svslav Pillar of the Community United States 2605 Posts	Posted 11/30/2010 6:19 pm I checked the Krause 1800's catalog and Coincraft catalog of British coins, and I see that the legend Victoria D:G:BRITT:REG:F:D (with two Ts) was adopted in 1860 when they switched to bronze coins. I don't see any mentioning of "one T" variety. On the obverse of your coin I see traces of cross bars on the T's though rather weak, possibly filled die. Report this Post to the Staff
Tomten Valued Member Sweden 159 Posts	Posted 12/01/2010 06:24 am That's weird. Since World Coins 1800-1901 says there are 2 versions of the coin, BRIT and BRITT, and the first one in the BRITT-serie is 1874.. While there is 1860 in the BRIT-serie. Report this Post to the Staff
Numismat Pillar of the Community United States 1666 Posts	Posted 12/02/2010 6:57 pm Tomten, The Krause catalogs are full of typographical and editing errors, such as missing or misplaced info. You may want to locate a copy of the Spink catalog for an accurate assessment of varieties for British coins. That being said, your coin indeed appears to be an example of a filled die. There are signs of this in other letters too, such as the V in Victoria and the top of the G in DG. This appears to be a normal coin, just struck from a die that was used for too long without a proper cleaning. Edited by Numismat 12/02/2010 6:59 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16849 Posts	Posted 12/04/2010 06:27 am My Krause doesn't mention anything about any coins of Victoria having just "BRIT"; all the post-1860 farthings have BRITT on them. As I pointed out right at the end of this old thread, "BRITT" with two "T"s is the correct abbreviation when the plural is intended, as it was during Victoria's reign. As for the damaged lettering near the rim, given the poor condition of this coin, I would assume that it's post-mint damage, rather than die damage, that's caused it. It seems to have some kind of ring all the way around the coin near the rim on both sides. This kind of effect often comes from being clamped inside one of those aluminium "lucky farthing" amulets; the only mint-caused explanation for something like that would be a simultaneous die shattering of both obverse and reverse dies. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
Tomten Valued Member Sweden 159 Posts	Posted 12/04/2010 07:23 am Thanks for all the help! Page 538 in the krause catalog, I see where they go over to Bronze coins in 1860, but it does says it only has one T, although the picture has 2 T's. And there're two T's from 1874H and forward. As you said, must've been some "typo". I know that the coin is in such a bad state that it wouldn't sell for anything at all anyway really, but I want to keep my inventory-lists perfect ;) Thanks again! And sorry for posting in wrong Forum. Didn't see that there was a GB forum. Report this Post to the Staff
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