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Valued Member
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deep cut across 90% of the torch.   |
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New Member
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almost looks like a scratch on the holder
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Valued Member
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holder does have scratch above the cut.
I am sending the coin back to seller from an e bay sale. Just got it today.. so could not remove the scratches from holder.
Edited by stephen
12/09/2010 12:56 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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One scratch would not preclude a 66 grade. There's no way to tell from the two images other than to say: It could very well be a 66.
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Valued Member
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Pcgs grading standards copied and pasted below. MS/PR-66 Few minor marks/hairlines not in focal areas, good strike. ANA standards copied and pasted below Uncirculated MS-66 Above average mint luster. No more than a few minor contact marks; some in prime focal areas OK. A few hairlines or light scuffs show under magnification. Eye appeal is very good. would a knife like cut 90% across the torch and deep be a minor mark? These are things we need to know, to own properly graded coins. Edited by stephen
12/09/2010 01:56 am
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Pillar of the Community
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I dont think its the seller fualt.
He has a nice coin, the scratch is just above that lip in the bottom of the torch.
I think he represented the coin just as it is graded.
The question would be, if the coin company that graded it graded it incorrect/correct?
Then what happens to the coin ? and you having the coin?
The scratch does look deep in pics, but might not be that deep in reality .
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't think that mark would cost the coin an MS-66 designation; it would come into play at MS-67+ which is why the coin probably topped out at 66. It looks like a big deal at 20x magnification but, in hand, I doubt it is too distracting or significant particularly given that its position on the coin largely masks the problem. The marks that would be distracting, the scratches, all appear to be on the case not the coin.
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thanks guys good input.
There where 3 nicks on the obverse devices also and a long diagonal cut on the torch between the upper and lower band also. Shooting photos though plastic is difficult it took many tries to correctly photo this deep cut. The other marks would be lost though the plastic hairlines..
I guess I am a technical grader. When I read minor marks not in the focal areas I would call this not minor but..........
Looking at the coin with out magnification this cut stuck out. The owner agreed to take it back agreeing with me on the cut...
Edited by stephen
12/09/2010 5:35 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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well problem solved.
Theowner will just relist it hoping a novice collector bid next time
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Pillar of the Community
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I certainly agree with your concern, but do you think it is a fake slab?
If PCGS says it's MS66, doesn't that mean it's MS66, aren't they the "gold standard"?
I love playing the grading game here at CCF, but in the end I'm not a fan of grading companies
on a whole, to much at stake ($$) for an opinion.
In the end I'm glad for you that the seller took the coin back, as they should,
since your not satisfied
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Pillar of the Community
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And to answer your question
No I wouldn't grade it 66
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Pillar of the Community
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Large cut like that shouldn't be a 66. Glad you are getting your money back, as many sellers do not allow returns on slabbed coins. Count yourself fortunate to get the return!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Eye appeal, strike, and luster. Viewed with a naked eye: are they all there? Excellent luster, strong strike, good eye appeal.
Don't get hung up on the technical grade for surface preservation at the 66 level. That's 40% of the picture. The other 60%? 20% is eye appeal, 20% is strike, 20% is luster.
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Pillar of the Community
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Another thing to remember is that the obverse carries higher weight than the reverse. Hence, this may be an MS-66 obverse with an MS-65 reverse that nets out at MS-66.
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+1 Fenton, one must consider the net grade. That mark on the coin does not prevent it from grading out MS. I've seen coins with a 67 obv and a 64 reverse slabbed as MS66.
If you ever get the chance to have a coin graded by PCGS while you watch, do it. They hold the coin out at length away from their body to check the luster and eye appeal and slowly bring the coin back to their body. At this poin they have a grade in mind. Then they check for details that would lower that grade such as excessive contact marks etc. They do not use super magnification that us collectors try to use. It looked like 8-10X. I think sometimes collectors are overly anal about grading.
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