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Unorthodox New Member United Kingdom 6 Posts	Posted 12/09/2010 3:02 pm Firstly, thanks in advance for any help you're willing to provide, it is certainly most welcomed. I have tried my best to identify the coins here, but I'm drawing a blank on all of the, and aside from the pictures I don't really have much else in the way of information. Anyways, first up is this very small (13mm diameter) "One Shilling" coin. Both the obverse and reverse are identical. [#1] [#2] A very small hammered silver coin. [#3] A brass (what I'm assuming is some sort of) token, with RV on the reverse. I'm guessing the RV means 'Regina Victoria'? And the obverse showing Victoria herself, albeit in poor, almost counterfeit quality. [#4] This is somewhat an oddity. A seemingly normal 1919 farthing, however on the obverse the letter 'D:' is almost completely missing in the text "FID:DEF:IND:IMP:". It doesn't look like regular wear and tear. Would I be wrong in guessing that it was just a poorly struck coin? [#5] I posted this one a while back, but never got any concrete information on it. IIRC someone mentioned it was Chinese in origin, I suspect myself that it's a fake, but I'm no expert on these things. [#6] I have no information on this one what-so-ever. [#7] And lastly an 1850 5 Cent coin from Netherlands. I'm just wondering if this was off-struck due to the abnormal border on the top of the obverse? Thanks once again for any help you may provide. Identified (mostly) - moved to World Coins forum - Sap Report this Post to the Staff

Sap Moderator Australia 16810 Posts	Posted 12/09/2010 4:53 pm #1: a piece of play money. There's a 2½ shillings toy coin of similar design in this recent thread. #2: an English halfgroat, or twopence, from the Commonwealth period. #3: Queen Victoria's official monogram was VR, not RV, so it's not an official token (for an army canteen or whatever). #4: presumably a filled die. #5: yep, it's fake, but fake Japanese, not fake Chinese. Those are crudely rendered Japanese symbols above the flags, and the date is Meiji Year 3 (= 1870). However, it's supposed to have a large rising sun in the centre, not two flags (which was a Chinese Republic symbol). See example on CoinArchives. #6: Here's an interesting one; it's from Mahdist Sudan. The date is AH 1312/12. I assume it's fairly large? The 20 piastres is the most common denomination, I believe. #7: slight misaligned die. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
Unorthodox New Member United Kingdom 6 Posts	Posted 12/09/2010 7:32 pm Wow, thanks for the detailed reply Sap. You truly are an expert :) Answered just about everything. Thanks again :D Report this Post to the Staff
svslav Pillar of the Community United States 2605 Posts	Posted 12/09/2010 11:03 pm Howdy, Unorthodox, and welcome to the forum! It's usually slim pickings after Sap's been in the house, I have just a couple of bits to add for you welcomed any information. #2, a Commonwealth halfgroat. They are fairly common but many of them are clipped and/or holed (yours looks both). That was done officially during later reigns to devalue the coin. #6, a Sudanese 20 piastres. During the reign of Abdullah ibn Mohammed (the Khalifa), successor of the Mahdi, the coins were progressively debased. By AH 1312 (1895 AD) they were made of billon or even silver-washed copper. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16810 Posts	Posted 12/19/2010 11:08 pm The only one left unidentified is the RV token, and I'm thinking it'll be very tricky trying to identify it. You're right in it being of crude manufacture; it looks cast. Whoever had it made obviously went for the "cheap 'n' nasty" option; I can't imagine any of the larger, more reputable token and medal makers of the period letting that be sold to paying customers. You could try posting it in a separate thread back in ID Required, but I'm doubtful any more info will come to light for it. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
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