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New Member
Australia
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Hello My Grandpa passed away, so my grandma gave me his old coin collection which was in a shoe box, These are the two oldest coins and I'm wondering if there is anything interesting about them?     Cheers Insectboy Moved to World Coins forum - Sap |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Well Insect Boy you have a 1863 silver 2 1/2 Gulden from the Netherlands Listing from $300 in Fine grade to $1200 in Extra Fine grade In my opinion a Very Fine grade is what I see which is $600 And the other is a 1820 silver 3 Gulden in very much the same grade According to my 1994 World Coins Catalog that's $450 Now this Catalog is old but I do think not by much  .7596 oz. of silver for the 2 1/2 gulden .9270 oz. of silver for the 3 gulden  Hope this helps you  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Great coins Prices have apparently spiked for the 1863 over the last few years... Krause now has it at 400 in Fine and 1250 in VF. Mintage is listed at 50,562. |
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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WoW... If those are real, you have hit the motherload my friend!!  And again if those are real, you can also forget those petty prices cdn44fan posted..  I checked in the Dutch Catalog 2010-2011 for you, I don't want to get your hope up... But behold! 1863 - €500(F), €1500(ZF), €4000(PR), €8000(UNC) Only 50,652 Minted (The most rare one of the entire series (1849/1874)!! 1820 - €650(F), €€1100(ZF), €2000(PR), €3000 (UNC) (712.961 Minted, The most Common date minted, however it has a variety, which is a medal allignment... if I call that correct in English terms, it means when you have obverse faced in front of you and turn to te reverse it is the exact opposite) sorry for bad explenation.. it's 4 am :) Anyways, the variety with "medal allignment" is worth: 1820 - €1500(F), €3000(PR), €5500(PR), €8000(UNC) ! SOURCE: Muntalmanak 2011 (Official print NVMH) I will post this tomorrow at a Dutch forum if you want, because I'm not experienced enough to tell if they are deffinetly real or fake.  They can also tell a price on them because beware those are only catalogue prices. But then again WOW  |
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Valued Member
United States
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Welcome...... very nice. We would love to see the rest of the shoebox.Old doesn't really mean rare. So far, so good.
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
626 Posts |
Oh forgot to post:
(F) = Fraai , comparable with Fine
(ZF)= Zeer Fraai, comparable with Very Fine
(PR)= Prachtig , comparable with XF
Often people will put a + or - behind it or for example ZF/PR or even ZF+/PR-
Just as guideline, hope it will help :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In comparison, the 1862 had a mintage of 3.3 million and the 1864 of 2 million. So you can see your 1863 is a bit more scarce. I'm sorry to hear about your Grandfather. Are you going to keep his coins and add to the collection? These are great pieces of history. And welcome to the forum |
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Valued Member
United States
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It's quite possible you could move from insect to reptile if your passers down continue to be awesome.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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A specific Dutch catalog would have more correct pricing than Krause.. that is usually the case. I am glad you have one, Kingz.
To best explain medal alignment, it's easier to think of it as being suspended from a cord, such as one would wear a medal around their neck. When either side is viewed hanging there, both sides are right side up. If it had coinage alignment, the reverse (back) would be upside down.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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They don't even look a little bit real to me.
Both appear to be silver washed copper fakes. First coin has what look to be cracks/bubbles consistent with a cast piece and inconsistent details and lettering. Second coin is missing most of the denticles and has other detail issues.
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Valued Member
United States
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DCH. I see no sign of cast coin but please.......indulge better than what you just said.I have seen many cast coins.I have a Pine Tree schilling that fooled NGC and was found to be fake by ANACS. Please..
I really think these are straight up.. Show us the rest of the stuff you lucked into....I will now call you LUCKYCOINBOY.
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12/11/2010 02:54 am
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Valued Member
Canada
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Yep, maybe I'd better get a newer Cat.
I said it was Old
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Pillar of the Community
United States
645 Posts |
Maybe this will show what I'm seeing. The best example is what looks like a crack coming off the point of the 'V'. I believe this is a cooling crack from a poor casting. Hopefully I'm wrong and these are authentic....  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I thought the second one looked odd but I haven't seen any of these in hand. Your close-up on the first one does look strange.. could be the lighting/toning ?
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12/11/2010 02:30 am
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Valued Member
United States
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Turn the coin on edge. If there is a cast you can see a line through the edge. Now, if it isn't there,,,,,loook on all the edges around and around.
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New Member
 Australia
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Thank you for your replies, The colour of the coins is a bit brighter than normal because I took the pictures outside and on a small angle this could be why they look a bit strange.
The rest of the coins in the box where all Australian pennies, Australian crown and other Australian coins youngest being 1966 (round 50 cent) coin.
Also my grandpa was also Dutch,so this could explain why he had these anyway.
Is there any thing I could to tell if they are for real or not?
Thanks for the help so far! :-)
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Posted 12/10/2010 9:10 pm
