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1859 IHC With Porous Surface

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I've an 1859 Indian Head cent that isn't in too bad of shape except the overall appearance is less attractive due to porosity. What causes this reaction on coins. It has been suggested to me that the coin might have been dug, and that it became the way it is from being in the ground. Is that possible, or could it be a result of some weakness in the metal? I took a couple of quick flicks with my little blue-light-special webcam - not the best, but I just wanted to show the surface of the coin. What do y'all think? And, what does this type of surface do to the grade and value of a coin? - Ralph

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Based on your photos it is hard to see ( my on going dilemma) yes Porosity is a common sign of dug coins. it does not help it, also For what I can see and I could be wrong based on the color and the idea of the coin being dug up ( chemical reaction) I would assume your coin has been cleaned and most likely an orange like or pinkish color from something Acidic. the only reason I think this is based on coins I have experimented on to find out the reactions and or causes. There are many people on here who can tell you lot more than I can, including a few chemist and the like I believe. so hang in there for other opinions.

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Porosity can be a sign of several things.

1). Being buried in the ground for awhile, then dug up and cleaned. Mildly acidic chemicals in the soil slowly eat away at the coin's surface. The corrosion products would have been removed by the finder (or someone else), which may have added to the damage (see point 2).

2). Being a perfectly normal, unburied coin that was either improperly cleaned or otherwise exposed to harsh chemicals such as acids. Much the same reaction as what happens to buried coins, but it happens a lot faster.

3). Being a cast counterfeit. Given this coin is fairly common, it's probably safe to dismiss this possibility (but no guarantees - forgers can forge anything). Check the coin's weight and density if you're worried about this.

Edit for spelling (again! gotta remember to hit Check before Submit!)

While I'm editing, those are pretty good pics from a webcam. Good job!
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Thought I'd try a full shot with my webcam. They're a mite fuzzy due to inexperience, shaky hands, and I used just a regular lamp for lighting. I believe the lighting has alot to do with the color of the coin in my photos - it's really a kind of dingy brown in hand.
I've had the coin for about a year now, and it's been sitting in a Dansco IHC Album since I got it, so I know nothing has been applied to it since it came into my possession; however, there's no way of knowing what might have happened to the poor thing prior to my having it.
As for counterfeit, as pointed out, it's fairly common - over 36 million minted, and I'd say there are still alot of them around, so I didn't even consider that.
Overall, with the exception of the porosity, in hand, it's not a bad looking coin. - Ralph

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I am glad You Answered up For him SAP, I had you in mind for the answer, Also what you said checks what I said If you can decifer it. So thats good for me To Know I am not completely off my rocker. LOL
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Here are a couple better scans of the coin. Note the color - as I said, it's more of a dingy brown than anything else.

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