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WWII Era German Knight's Cross

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 Posted 12/19/2010  02:29 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add peiper1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have in my possession a German Knight's Cross with Oakleaves that was awarded to my uncle for outstanding service during WWII. I know the medal is authentic because he personally gave it to my mother shortly before the end of the war for safekeeping. It remained in her possession until a couple of years ago when she in turn passed it on to me. The decoration comes with its' original presentation case and award certificate that is signed by Adolf Hitler (I do not know if he personally signed it, or if this was done by someone else on his behalf). Although I have no intention of ever selling it, I'm curious to know what its' approximate value might be, and if anyone can give me more info on it. Thanks!
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 Posted 12/19/2010  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting item, even more so with the family connection.

Knights Cross with oak leaves

"The Knights Cross with oak leaves was awarded to Knights Cross recipients for continued excellence in command or continued great bravery and other outstanding performance in combat. It was awarded since July 1940 to a total of 890 soldiers. The first recipient was General Eduard Dietl, the German commander in the battle of Narvik in North Norway. Fighter pilots usually had to shoot down well over 150 enemy aircraft to receive it, and submarine commanders had to sink 200,000 tons of shipping or more."

I would think the signature is real, I also read that Hitler gave most of these medals out in person, at least until mid 1944, after the assassination attempt on him and the war going less and less well he rarely awarded in person.

With it being awarded to so few people I would expect a list of names to be floating about somewhere on the net, I've not been able to find one though.

Valuing something like this is very difficult, understandably opinions on these types of items vary massively and due to that I doubt they reach an open market very often, many would rather they never did.

I did find this on iOffer though:

http://www.ioffer.com/i/67527366

I have a ceremonial dagger that was brought back by somebody in the family in 1945 and although I dont want it I have been unable to sell it on ebay as they wont touch items like this in case they offend buyers.




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Thank you for the info bobby, I didn't realize that so few of these were awarded during the war. As you mention in your reply, info about these kinds of items can be very scarce due to their obvious associations with Naziism.
One thing I have gathered is that there is a huge market of replicas and fakes out there, and that the number of authentic ones is extremely limited (one reason for this apparently is that, unlike Allied or Soviet soldiers, German soldiers and officers would typically wear their medals into combat. If they were killed in action and buried in the field, their medals would be buried along with them).

I'm curious about the ceremonial dagger you mention .... which branch of the German military is it from .... Hitler Youth, Waffen SS, SA, Wehrmacht ....?
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Hello, its an SA dagger, M7/13 if I remember rightly, prob made before the start of WWII. 5 or 10 years ago I used to see them on ebay quite regularly but not any more as its impossible to sell them whole there now. Its very high quality considering its age.

I wont post a picture as I'm always a bit concerned about the reactions of others, but I think from your response you will know what it is. If not Google picture search will do the job.

Unfortunately my grandfathers (we assume he brought it back) medals were stolen in a break-in about 20 years ago, for some reason the dagger was left along with all of his letters (glad the letters weren't taken).

He was on the allied side 1914-1918 but was also involved in the second world war though not for the full 6 years. He would have been pushing 46 by the end of it.

Its hellish enough to contemplate serving in one world war let alone 2!
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