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1890 CC Morgan

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Just rescued this coin from some "junk" silver and trying to learn how it should grade. I have little experience grading coins thus far, but would like to learn (particularly how to distinguish the various MS grades). If I had to guess, I would estimate this coin to be in the range of VF to EF with the limiting factor being wear on Eagle's upper left wing on reverse. Also, does anyone think this coin should be sent to PCGS? I know people say not to clean coins, but in the case of some of the black specs on this coin, they appear to just be dirt that might easily come off with a dry cuetip -- should I just leave it as is or try something?



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 Posted 12/22/2010  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin pictured does not appear to be authentic. Sorry. (Genuine on top yours below):



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Fenton would you mind going into a bit of detail on why you believe this coin is not authentic. I like the pic comparison but would like to hear an explanation.
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Thanks for the reply but I too would like some details to understand better.
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If it's a fake it looks like a good one. I guess the denticles look a bit long and narrow compared to many Morgan dollars, but the date numerals and stars don't look obviously misshapen to me. Some star points do look sharper than the posted original coin. Might these differences exist because the coins are different VAMs?

Gradewise this is about VF-35 IMO. You could just soak it in water for awhile and then rinse, without any rubbing or poking. Maybe some dirt would come off. To me the color suggests someone may already have tried to clean it.

If genuine it is worth maybe $125. It might not be worth putting another $30 or so into having it graded by PCGS although that would answer the authenticity question.

I have an 1890-CC certified by PCGS. Here's the date area of my coin, in case another reference would be useful.

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This is my first Morgan purchase -- 11 in total from a guy off Craigslist. If the 1890 CC is of questionable authenticity, then I may question some of the others. Any other opinions? I can upload photos of the others too if needed.
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Just rescued this coin from some "junk" silver...does anyone think this coin should be sent to PCGS?...easily come off with a dry cuetip -- should I just leave it as is or try something?



Nice junk silver find! Looks VF and worth about $100 so I would not have it graded unless you're adding it to a membership voucher to fill an order and maybe a free quarterly special.

Do not touch it with a dry Q-Tip. Best bet is to leave it alone if you don't have experience with silver conservation. Looks good the way it is to me.
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Yeah on second look I think it is probably genuine. False alarm!
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Well the second "C" definitely resembles a VAM 2, but I can't find anything on the variable denticles or misshapen stars. What ever you have, it's a keeper. I can't believe you found it in a junk silver box.
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Thanks everyone for the help! Although I am afraid I may get more hooked on collecting the more I learn...
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I'm starting to think this one is better grade but just very weakly struck and possibly exposed to some strange environmental conditions. The VF type coins usually lack those sharp edges on the stars and also show way more wear on the cheek, cap, and other areas. That's one of the reasons I thought it was fake - it almost looks like one of those coins that gets terribly struck in the middle, sharp on the edges, and is then "dirtied up" to look old. That said, I've never seen a fake 90-CC with details this good usually the date and mint mark are totally botched but this one matches, very well, some of the examples.

So I'm a hair perplexed on this one. Where's the SuperDave when you need him? :)
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 Posted 12/27/2010  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverFossil64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just visited my grandfather yesterday and turns out he has 2 Morgans. 1 of them is an 1890 CC in condition a little worse than the coin I posted above. I may get a photo of it sometime for comparison. He also has some nice half dollars I'd like to borrow for some photos (1832 in VF?, 1812 in VG?, 1877 in G?). If I get the photos I'll upload in their own threads later...
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