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I don't know enough to tell.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...TRK:MEWAX:IT

My correspondence with him.


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Hello,

I respect your no-return policy as it is your right as a seller. But will you accept a return for a full refund if the coin is not genuine?


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I believe this is genuine, but there is no guarantee. I am not a coin expert. For that reason, I am selling it as is, no returns. Thanks for your question.


So let me get this straight. You unambiguously represent it as an authentic 1793 Chain Cent, but you're not sure if you're selling a fake coin. And for that reason you won't accept a return just in case you're "accidentally" messing with someone.

1: If you're "not sure" you probably shouldn't be selling chain cents to begin with.

2: How do you NOT stand by your product at least to the point that you guarantee it to be authentic?
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The wear on the reverse is very suspicious to me. On chain cents, the letters around the edge are the first to go, and the lettering inside the chain is generally protected by the chain. I don't see how "ONE CENT" can be completely worn off but the chain is in excellent condition. This one is probably counterfeit.
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He provides a photo of only one side of the coin and then gives you the runaround? Ha! I'd back away from this one.
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That, ladies and gentelemen, is why I would never ever buy something like that on ebay!
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Run away!!



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LOL Moe. The minute wouldn't budge on the return policy I had already popped smoke. I figured it was a long shot for being real when I first saw the auction, but I decided to at least ask about return it if it's not. From that point I knew I would stay away from it. I just posted here because I was still curious if it could possibly be real.

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the photo. So who cares if he believes it's "genuine", when he doesn't have a return policy? Some people are baffling.
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It's funny when someone is selling a coin of this rarity, and does not want to provide a reverse pic. Why?
There is a chance its genuine but with no return policy, why take the chance. Avoid.
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he must have edited the auction because there are quite a few pictures of the Reverse in the auction now. I am in no position to give authenticity advice but the no return policy would be enough for me not to want to do business with him
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Good advice. That is the sign of a sheisty seller when they wont accept their products back when they are defective.
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I wonder if he has any Strawberry Leaf cents
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I agree makes absolutely no sense that the chain is in fine condition, but the area around the coin looks like it's been hit by a train.
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Here's my latest response. Can you smell the snark?



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Thank you for responding. Although I respect the fact that you won't stand behind your product's authenticity, I'll pass. Even though I would be covered by ebay's buyer protection program and they in turn will come after you for the money, I would just well avoid the whole situation - as unlikely as that is.

Good luck :)
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good move
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Beautifully said.
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The wear on te reverse is unusual. The chains are typically strong on these coin even in very low grades and the One Cent and often disappear even with a strong chain due to sinking of the dies in the center. But the reverse rim seems unusually strong on a coin with that much wear and most chain cents lose the tops of the letters on the reverse first rather than the bottoms. Actually with the relatively strong legends the links of the chain seem oddly worn and broad. But I would really like to compare it to some other lower grade S-2's just to make sure the wear pattern is atypical.
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