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Hello,

Does anyone know anything about "dipping?" I was in a local coin shop and was asking the gentleman behind the counter about a Silver Half Dollar I have that is very tarnished, to the point where it is almost all black. This gentleman told me that I can "dip" the coin and all the tarnish would be removed and the coin would not be harmed. That sounded too good to be true to me. Does anyone have any experience in this area?

Thanks,
Rich
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The coin dealer was right, most likely he was referring to E-Zest or some other form of jewerly cleaner. Some people perceive dipping coins to be unethical and consider dipped coins to be problem coins, however it is done often and as long as a coin isn't overdipped TPG's will slab the coin. There are also people who think all blast white coins have been dipped in some cases, such as Morgan dollars.
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TPG's will not lable, "Dipped" or anything?
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I used to dip my junk silver and even clad Ikes. I used "Conniseurs's jewelry cleaner" from Target, omg talk about a beautiful finish! Like I said, junk silver only.
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TPG's will not lable, "Dipped" or anything?


Nope, because a dipped coin (as long as it hasn't been overdipped) retains the luster which doesn't make it look like a problem coin, and to many people, it isn't a problem coin and there are many that prefer blast white coins.


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Like I said, junk silver only.


I'm not sure about the dip you mentioned but with most other substances the luster is kept and is used for other higher end numismatic coins, not just bullion.
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Hello,

Does anyone know anything about "dipping?" I was in a local coin shop and was asking the gentleman behind the counter about a Silver Half Dollar I have that is very tarnished, to the point where it is almost all black. This gentleman told me that I can "dip" the coin and all the tarnish would be removed and the coin would not be harmed. That sounded too good to be true to me. Does anyone have any experience in this area?

Thanks,
Rich



Be very careful here Rich. Dipping in E-z-est or Jeweluster will not remove heavy tarnish/toning without "over-dipping". So as far as sounding too good to be true? Well it kind of is. Most of us do not have the knowledge or experience to dip high value coins. I know I don't.

I do dip some silver coins but most of them are AU/MS bullion type pieces. My recommendation is don't mess with any type of dipping or cleaning on any valuable coin. I define valuable in the $25-$30 range. Over that dollar amount and I won't mess with them.
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When I first started collecting Morgan dollars (10 years or so ago), I didn't like the "toned" ones I received, so I would "dip" them into my wife's Jewelry Cleaner (she used for her wedding ring, etc.) and the coins would almost immediately lose their tone and get bright white. I thought they looked better that way.

I now like the toned coins and don't dip anything anymore. And I certainly don't recommend it for anyone to do either.

I kind of kick myself when I think about the 20 or so Morgans I dipped.

Ah, you live, you learn...


And: BHerring1964 is right, you can easily overdip and it will ruin the coin. It gets very "flat" looking and you lose all the detail in it. It's a BAD idea.

And: Any "black" coin would not be able to be dipped gently and recover as a quality coin, in my opinion.

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Think of this. The toming on coins is almsot always a combination of the metal and outside substances. In other words Oxygen, Chlorine, Flourine, Moisture, etc. In some instances SO and SO2 in the air. Regardless of the outside substance, removing toning, tarnishing, corrosion, etc. also removes some of the oringinal material of the coins.

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I was in a local coin shop and was asking the gentleman behind the counter about a Silver Half Dollar I have that is very tarnished, to the point where it is almost all black. This gentleman told me that I can "dip" the coin and all the tarnish would be removed and the coin would not be harmed. That sounded too good to be true to me.

Yes it was to good to be true. The coin would not be harmed but some of the metal has now been removed too. Yes it will now look pretty but also now really cleaned. Acetone would not remove that tarnish but almost all jewlery cleaners will since they remove some of the metal too.
And remember that DIPPING is a vague statement. Dipping in what and for how long makes a world of difference. For example dipping a coin in battery acid for a month or so would really make whatever is left shine like new. If anything is left, that is.
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I like to buy coins at a discount that have ugly toning and then risk a dip. More often than not, they come out blast white with good original luster. The key to dipping is use a coin specific cleaner like E-Zest, don't dip for more than two seconds, always hold by the edges when dipping - never cover any portion of the surface - and IMMEDIATELY rinse with distilled water afterwards until all traces of the chemical are removed.
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Personally I think it's a bad idea. I'm not saying the major third party graders will catch every single one, but they certainly consider a "dipped" coin to be cleaned. And if there's any amount of wear on a blast white coin I view it with suspicion.
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Commercial coin dips are composed of thiourea and sulfuric acid which is why anything more than a very brief dip will strip the luster from the coin. Any coin that could be described as black is way too far gone and will just be ruined by dipping.
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Interesting information that I've always been afraid to ask.
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I like to buy coins at a discount that have ugly toning and then risk a dip. More often than not, they come out blast white with good original luster. The key to dipping is use a coin specific cleaner like E-Zest, don't dip for more than two seconds, always hold by the edges when dipping - never cover any portion of the surface - and IMMEDIATELY rinse with distilled water afterwards until all traces of the chemical are removed.



Yes in many instances they will be blast white. Again, your removing a layer of material. If you did this continuously, the coin would eventually be a lot less of that coin. And regardless of what you think, a cleaned coin is a cleaned coin.
Watch the Antique Road Show on TV. You will hear many times PROFESSIONALS say "If you hadn't of cleaned this it would be worth double". And in many instances much less than even double on some items if cleaned.
It's sort of like washing your car with Laquer Thinner. It too will take off dirt. But a layer of paint also. Not smart with cars and not smart with coins.
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just remember anytime you remove toning you are altering the surface of the coin also as in it eats away a little bit of the silver. That is why when you over dip it takes away the luster of the coin and makes it look flat. If you have never done this before I would definitely not try it on a coin that you really like except for the toning, I would practice on some junk coins first. I have heard people put them in and count to five and then take them out and immediately put then in water with baking soda in it to stop the chemical reaction. Just be sure the baking soda is dissolved completely in the water so it doesn't scratch the coins surface, then they rinse the coin in distilled water. It is very tricky and allot of people have done it for years but its not for the faint of heart and not something we recommend someone do because it is considered cleaning. The thing about the TPG's slabbing these coins, if they are sent in right after yes they have been slabbed but if its done incorrectly the coin inside will show signs of the treatment while its still in the holder and start to turn very ugly. I have seen quite a few coins in top TPG holders that I do not believe if they looked that way they would have holdered them so I am sure they had to turn while they were in the slab. This may also be a thing of the past since the top TPG's now use some type of sniffer on the coins. not sure they do it to all coins or not but this sniffer is supposed to be able to detect any chemical that has been added to the coin
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I have heard people put them in and count to five and then take them out and immediately put then in water with baking soda in it to stop the chemical reaction.

That is basically what I do when the rare occasion arises that I have to dip a coin although the dip time is 2-3 seconds. The baking soda solution serves to neutralize the pH of the dip and then the coin is given a final rinse with DI water and acetone to dry.
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