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Looking To Buy Gold Bullion, Couple Questions

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 Posted 01/02/2011  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh yes, I did the same thing I recommended above (bought double eagles for me then, but to give to the kids later). Paid $300 each way back. It kills me to know I had to sell 2 for $350 each later. Still have 2 for what, about $3000 now? Maybe they are worth more in 25 years, or maybe not if that Twilight Zone episode is right. Either way, I'm keeping them. I think the more knowledgeable here will provide better price info regarding reasonable buying prices relative to spot price. Go check some out or research online. As for other investments in PMs, ETFs solve all the liquidity, storage and insurance issues that possession of bullion presents. They are good investment vehicles, but not long term hold forever instruments, IMO though.
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 Posted 01/02/2011  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe a 10% position in PM's is a good thing. Investing in gold coins rather than bullion, will give you the best of both worlds however, bullion would be easier to unload for me because I tend to get emotionally attached to my coins.
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 Posted 01/02/2011  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I'm going to a local coin shop while I'm at home from college tomorrow morning.

From my understanding, these should cost "Around" the current cost of gold, which is about 1420 per ounce. So maybe around 1500ish? And from what I read online, most of the coins from the various years they were made are worth about the same, except for a few that were more rare.

I always have some expectation, that I could get my hands on something rare for cheap, but at a coin shop I think they know exactly what they are looking at (ahah well more so then me)

Also, can you fight for prices at these places? For example, if they want 2,000$ and I Know its only worth 1400-1600$ can you barter prices, or I guess thats up to the shop.

Well any last minute advise? Thanks guys, every single post has had some great insight and advise, I'm really glad I fell onto these forums.
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 Posted 01/02/2011  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bryan1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
personally just get as someone-thing you like and have some variety as well. I personally think its a waste of time to pay a huge alot more then something is worth but you got to got to look for deals until you find the right one. For example I bought right before Christmas a 2006 w one oz American buffalo proof graded for around 1450 due to ebay bucks and thats a descent compared to what the dealers have usually 100+ over melt. Dont buy any 1/10 oz coins or your going to be paying alot more for 10 vs a 1 oz coin
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 Posted 01/05/2011  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I went to the coin store, and the prices were way overpriced. So I decided that I am simply going to wait for good deals to come around.

Also, just curious about yalls opinions on this. I found a guy on craigslist that is selling american gold eagle, Kruggerands, gold maple leafs for SPOT price. Has anyone ever got anything this way? I'm worried that why I get might be some well made replica. (Not to mention going somewhere with 1500$ in cash is a little nerve wracking.)
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 Posted 01/05/2011  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Checked my local shop and he has double eagles for $1450. Yes be careful with Craiglist ads...I go armed and always with a friend...be sure to meet in a public place...in front of the police station isn't bad
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 Posted 01/05/2011  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add odentheviking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, here is my Two Cents.......
It sounds to me like you have not spent much time around coins, bullion, collectibles, etc... and that is bad news! There is an art to buying, selling, tradeing coins and bullion and it only comes from doing it often.
I think the first thing you need to do is decide if you want to buy bullion for an investment.......or coins for your kids. They are two totally differant things. With gold at $1400 an oz. you need to be ready to buy and sell, OR, look for a really nice piece to pass down. With prices this high, you can not do both, IMHO.
Back when Gold was at $300 an oz. I was buying it w/every dollar I could scrape up. But when it hit $750,(I thought that was the top!), I sold it all.... well I did keep 3- one oz. coins w/my kids birth dates and the 1895 $5 gold piece that my Grand-dad gave me. I kept these because I only have $300 in them and they hold good memories. if I had got them for $1400 and watched gold drop to $750.... it would kill me! This is why I think you should follow the advice of many here and look at buying Silver.......not Gold. You will have a much bigger pile of shiny stuff for your $3000, and I think Silver will go up faster and more per oz. than Gold this year. You will also get alot more trading,buying, selling time with Silver. W/out the big loss,ex: You buy a 1oz.Silver coin for $35 and then find it is a fake from China worth maybe $20, you are out $15. You buy a 1oz. Gold coin for $1400 and find out its a $25 fake.....you get the picture.
Unless you have a really good Coin shop in your area,(I don't really know what that means?), I would do a google search for "Coin Show 2011" and the state you live in. This will show you the next coin show in your area and show up there with that $3000 in cash, in your hands. Then you can start to bargin and wheel and deal with ALL the local dealers and shop owners. Look for a local coin club in your area, see if they can help you. Do some searching on this web-site and READ all you can. In coin knowledge is truely power!
Good Luck.
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 Posted 01/05/2011  8:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ICanSeeYou7687 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As always, thanks for all of the great advice. After everything I've been finding and reading I have leaned more towards silver. And now the gold...and the silver is more of a "if I find a good deal".

I actually just bought a 1oz silver eagle for 30$. And this will be better for me. especially for starting out.

But in all honesty... if I bought a double eagle, id think it would be so cool that I prob woudnt never sell it. Its like owning a piece of history and I would prob get attached to it.

Which is why I still would like a gold coin or two. But I think I'm going to patiently and hopefully wait for gold to drop.
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 Posted 01/06/2011  12:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add odentheviking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are right Sir! There IS a fever that starts the second you touch GOLD! And you can sometimes get a good deal on a damaged or scratched $5, $10, or $20 gold piece. If these old coins could talk!
But something I forgot to tell you, I stated that I kept back 3 gold coins, one for each of my kids......but I also kept back 3 or 4 SILVER coins for each of my kids.....and a half dozen for my wife! My wife is a big Chi. Bears fan. I found her a 1oz. Silver Round remembering the Bears as the Super Bowl XX Champions, I mean try and come up with a better B-day Gift in Gold! Silver Eagles, Maple leafs, etc... Many of the Gold coins are also copied with the same art work in Silver. Just do a search on ebay or google image for Australian Silver Coins, they are as beautiful in Silver as they are in Gold! IMHO. And when I hold one of the 2 oz. Silver Australian coins....... I get the same fever I get from a 1oz. Gold, but at a fraction of the price.
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 Posted 01/12/2011  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am probably going to get crucified for saying this but my 2 cents is Gold is a HORRIBLE investment if that's what your trying to do. Here are a couple of facts that nobody can deny.

1. A lot of people buy gold thinking when the economy collapses and we all go to heck in a hand basket that they are going to use their gold as currency. The last time gold was used as currency was during the Roman Empire. Yes, a very long time ago! Even during some of our darkest times, (the great depression), what do you think people wanted? Gold coins or bread to feed their family.

2. Look at golds performance since the country has kept track of it. It has not even kept up with inflation until the last 8 years. Before that it was terrible. Once the economy heals, gold will plummet again. It does it during every recession.

3. If you buy gold now, you are buying at the peak of the market. We don't buy houses and cars when interest rates are at their highest, we wait for them to go down, so why by gold at a peak.

4. Gold is worth no more then what society says it is. Gold is sky rocketing right now because everybody wants it. It has no intrinsic value by itself. There are tons of it and no shortages. Think about it, you see gold in every other store in a mall. If you could convince society that cardboard was priceless, the cost of cardboard would skyrocket. Everybody is jumping on the gold band wagon, that's why everybody is selling because they are making a killing.

5. Now, if you are buying so they will just have some nice coins, I personally like the Ultra High Relief 1 oz coin. That was a beautiful coin. I am sure they will love whatever you buy them.

6. Once again, this is my opinion. Don'T get me wrong, I have made my share of profit buying and selling gold but it is terrible for investment purposes. The only people you see telling you to invest in it are the people selling it. Just watch any finance show and you will not here them recommend gold unless they are advertising a company that sells it. Lets not forget, gold was dirt cheap 10 years ago.
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 Posted 01/12/2011  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add odentheviking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quote: "The last time gold was used as currency was during the Roman Empire. Yes, a very long time ago!"
You are correct Coin Nut.......BUT......When gold miners of the old west got into town they did not have to exchange their gold dust for cash at the bank. Most bars, brothels, etc.... took gold dust. You would just belly up to the bar and ask for a drink. The bar keep would then "Pinch" out gold from your gold dust bag. This is where we get the phrase,"How much money can you pick up in a Pinch?" This is why bar keeps were big, burly, beefie fingered men and not sweet, thin fingered women. Dishonest keeps would hold a dried pea between their fingers to make a dent, that would pick up more gold dust.
OK, I'm done.
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 Posted 01/13/2011  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bluemule31 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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CoinNut said,
" The last time gold was used as currency was during the Roman Empire. Yes, a very long time ago!


I am still a newbie at coins but if this statement is correct, then you are telling me the St. Gaudens and every other US gold coin prior to 1933 was made for numismatic purposes?
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 Posted 01/23/2011  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimineez to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's the same thought I had.
I think there may be a difference in a "gold standard" and a "currency", but I'm not informed enough to give you the details.

"Here are a couple of facts that nobody can deny" - well, I'll deny some, as I do not fully agree with:
point #1: gold/silver may likely be the best/only way to buy bread if a currency fails
#2: what if the economy doesn't heal? It isn't a given you know.
#3: how do you know this is the peak? If sure, then short gold 100% and make a killing.
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 Posted 01/23/2011  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bluemule31 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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2: what if the economy doesn't heal? It isn't a given you know.


I agree with you Jimineez but that's not saying much given my prognosticating record, especially in football

I do think any serious discussion about the current state of the economy, not just ours but the world's, must include the fact that we are in relatively uncharted waters. Gold detractors will say that mutual funds always outperform gold over any length of time. However, mutual funds have been around for how long? Very small period of time in the history of the world.

Gold supporters, especially those trying to sell it say that "gold has never been worth zero" but I am sure there are plenty that have lost their tails "investing in gold".

I think when we evaluate today's economic crisis we have to consider the role of fiat money, inflation and the role of the Feds.

I hope all turns out well and our economy returns to be as vibrant as it once was.

p.s.
We only have to look back at the Confederate economy's collapse when they began printing money like crazy. What was of real value when hyperinflation set in in the South? Food and other basic needs.
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 Posted 01/24/2011  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
See if you can get hold of a copy of:

'How to Invest in Gold Coins' by Donald J. Hoppe, publ. Arco Publishing Co. Inc. NY, 1970, 298 pages. Original price $2.98.
ISBN 0-668-02999-4 Library of Congress Catalog card No. 70-115342. Perhaps your local library can get it on an inter library loan. It's certainly worth a try!

I got my copy from a specialist numismatic book dealer at a coin show in 2002, for $9.00. A real steal.

I gives the conditions of investing in gold coins in 1970, and suggested portfolios to various budgets. The principles of investing in gold coins then are exactly the same as they are now, but oh my! how the prices have changed!

The author is highly critical of fiat money.

Maybe FIAT's were even cheaper to buy in 1970!
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