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1 Cent, Indian Head Cent, 1879, Doubled Obverse?!

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 Posted 01/04/2011  06:19 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Tomten to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey there!

This coin looks as if it's double on the whole obverse. On the legend it's clearly visible and if you look at some of the feathers you can see it looks that way too.

1-Cent,-Indian-Head-Cent,-1879,-Doubled-Obverse?!
1-Cent,-Indian-Head-Cent,-1879,-Doubled-Obverse?!

Is it doubled? If so.. What would you think a value would be? I know that it's cleaned :/
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 Posted 01/04/2011  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am no pro but it looks like Machine Doubling to me. Lets wait for the pros to answer.
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 Posted 01/04/2011  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah,,,I think MD but I'm not a pro either.
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 Posted 01/04/2011  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What's Machine Doubling compared to just doubling? :)

Thanks for input!
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 Posted 01/04/2011  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This should help https://goccf.com/t/51410
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 Posted 01/04/2011  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay I read some about MD and die doubling. I'd say that this is MD, since it's not just in a few places. The coin has probably moved slightly during the minting process?
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 Posted 01/04/2011  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What you have is a nice example of Longacre doubling. It has no premium value.
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 Posted 01/04/2011  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is some info on Longacre Doubling http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=26817
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 Posted 01/04/2011  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tomten to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay thanks. Cleaned and no premium, doesn't look good ;)
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 Posted 01/04/2011  11:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is Longacre doubling, not Machine Doubling.
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 Posted 01/04/2011  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there any difference between Longacre and MD ? I mean visually, not the process.
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Biggest clue is that Longacre doubling is typically seen on both sides of the letter, sometimes all the way around a letter or feature. You may see it on opposite sides of adjacent letters. Machine Doubling is caused by the shifting of the die at the end of the strike and the die can't shift in mutliple directions at the same time or in different directions on adjacent letters. The Longacre doubling is actually a part of the die.
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 Posted 01/05/2011  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Longacre doubling--and there aren't any documented doubled dies this year.
I don't see a repunched date either. I would grade this one VF30, and may be cleaned.
Retail on an 1879 in VF30 is around $50.
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 Posted 01/11/2011  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what biochemist said: Longacre doubling.

no added value
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 Posted 01/14/2011  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Drsandman2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have the Longacre doubling on a Seated Half with arrows. I've posted it here, and perhaps you can find more information.

https://goccf.com/t/77416&SearchTer...cre,doubling

There is no "added value", but the lore of Lonacre and this doubling is a great topic and lesson. For someone with a type set trying to exhibit the history of coins and their various attributes, this is certainly a valuable side note. As you can tell by my post, even some of the most brilliant collectors have been alluded by the Longacre double.
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By the way, you have a very nice coin there!
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