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Locked
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Let me preface this by saying that I'm not a prude and Nazi stuff does not offend me. However there are lots of people that it does. I don't think it's right that if someone is browsing ebay for Morgan dollars that they be subjected to these listings. They are all in US coin categories. It's just not right and even if you're not offended it's downright annoying. If I want Nazi coins I'll browse that category. If you agree with me please report these for blatant miscategorization. Edited by scubu 01/05/2011 09:51 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3592 Posts |
I just looked at your search...it was for "german"....personally, I'm tired of hearing about people being offended and don't want to encourage political correctness.
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Locked
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Quote: I just looked at your search...it was for "german" OK, please pay attention. These are all in US coins categories. Forget about what I searched, I just did that for clarity, they're still there if your just browsing Morgan dollars without a search. Forget about the political correctness too. Why should I have to wade through these coins (They could be Irish, makes no difference) when I'm obviously looking for US coins since I'm in the US coin category. The jerk can't sell them in the correct category for what he wants so he thinks cluttering up a wrong category with them will work better.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Yeah...those are rather miscategorized, huh? Those were never used in the US, thankfully. I suspect he's marketing through controversy.
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Valued Member
Guatemala
357 Posts |
What the seller(s) really trying to do is evade the law in several European countries, including Germany, regarding items which bear the swastika, or other nazi related items.
I respect everyone's right to collect whatever they want to collect, as long as they obey the laws of consent, and stick to their own species. That said, I lost an uncle in the camps. Over the years, I've purchased a number of bulk lots which included some nazi material. I find such material repugnant, and destroy it. The fact that I do so will probably offend a few people, but doing so is my right. I make no apologies. If someone wants to discuss nazi era items in an open forum, I absolutely respect their right to do so... But, if someone wants to put a coin or medallion with nazi symbols in my hands to keep, trust me, I will break out the tin snips.
Just my 2 centavos.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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European laws regarding Nazi paraphernalia do not apply to a seller in the US so nothing is being evaded. The problem is that the seller is auction spamming in unrelated categories.
Edited by biokemist6 01/05/2011 2:47 pm
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Valued Member
Guatemala
357 Posts |
ebay and Yahoo Auctions were both sued, and nearly blocked by Germany and France a few years back over this issue. Both sites had to agree to filter results of searches to exclude nazi items. Since you can put anything in as an Auction header, the most 'common sense' approach is to block certain categories. Of course, that means that some people will post to the wrong category, just to get around the rule. I would also point out that if you look at the seller in question, you'll notice he's pretty good about posting his coins, including German coins in the appropriate category. It's blatantly obvious he's not posting his third reich pieces appropriately.
Edited by JMerrick 01/05/2011 3:19 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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JMerrick, that only applies to European listings and it has no bearing on US sellers. Per ebay's Offensive Material Policy, the following are unrestricted(as long as you list them in the proper auction category)- Stamps, letters, and envelopes displaying Nazi postmarks
Currency issued by the Nazi German government, including military scripts
Items that have a swastika that are not related to Nazi Germany (such as good luck charms, Native American blankets, Buddhist sculptures)
Replica or novelty stamps or currency of Nazi Germany (must comply with the currency and stamp policies) even if they contain images of swastikas or German leadershttp://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/offensive.html
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Forum Dad
 United States
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Quote: Ebay and Yahoo Auctions were both sued, and nearly blocked by Germany and France a few years back over this issue. Both sites had to agree to filter results of searches to exclude nazi items. Since you can put anything in as an Auction header, the most 'common sense' approach is to block certain categories. Of course, that means that some people will post to the wrong category, just to get around the rule. That is not the case here. US sellers can freely list the stuff on ebay.com.
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Valued Member
Guatemala
357 Posts |
Biokemist, I think we actually agree. If I wanted to sell a Nazi coin on ebay, and I listed it in the appropriate category, I would be doing nothing wrong. That's absolutely true. Many people do so regularly, and I don't have an issue with that. What I am saying is if I'm a buyer in France or Germany, for instance, I might not see search results which included Nazi material from sellers in the U.S., if those items are posted in the proper category. Those results should be blocked, according to legal settlements ebay and Yahoo made with the governments in question. Now, there are two ways of blocking the auctions in question... By keyword searches, or by category. Key word searching every search result would be a cumbersome task, and would potentially slow ebay's databases to a crawl. Category blocking is far easier, but also quite easy to work around. As I noted in the edit to my previous post. I spent some time going through the seller in questions other sales. He's actually very good about posting his coins in the proper category, with the exception of Nazi coins. He's obviously avoiding that category for some reason. I live in the United States... (for the next 83 days, not that I'm counting... :) ) If some guy wants to sell Nazi coins in Wisconsin, go for it. He's not going to sell one to me, and if he, or anyone else were to give me one, I would try not to accept it, and if that failed, I would destroy it. That's me. If anyone wants to collect that stuff, and they enjoy doing so, please, be happy. Personally, I find the idea of blocking auction search results in Europe to be rather offensive, but I don't live there, and it's not my place to dictate their laws.
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Forum Dad
 United States
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They block the appropriate items on the German/French ebay site, Germans/French are free to go to ebay US to view them if they wish. Just like you can go to any other ebay site as you wish. On a side note, the staff will not let this get into a debate about the morality of Nazi stuff, it's about ebay policies, nothing more.
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Forum Dad
 United States
24150 Posts |
Quote:Key word searching every search result would be a cumbersome task, and would potentially slow ebay's databases to a crawl. It's easy. Block the words at the front door, not search for them after the fact. If the listing contains certain words you can't list it. Not intensive at all. They do it already to check for some policy violations and likely do it for this too.
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Valued Member
Guatemala
357 Posts |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3592 Posts |
[Why should I have to wade through these coins /] I use the scroll on my mouse..pretty easy. And if I want to look at Morgan dollars..I type " Morgan dollar" I see lots of stuff miscatagorized,but it really doesn't cause me any hardship. And I was paying attention...but noticed you mentioned "offended" and "Nazi" several times even though all the coins were not Nazi. Heck, if I wanted to be offended I could mention that you searched "german" but catagorized everything as Nazi....I'm half German..once again,I just believe people go out of their way to be offended anymore.
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Forum Dad
 United States
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Quote:And if I want to look at Morgan dollars..I type " Morgan dollar" Oooh, I sure wouldn't. You'd miss hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of them, and most likely many bargains because the titles stink.  Buyers should be able to browse a category of their choice without enduring deliberately miscategorized listings. That's common sense.
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Valued Member
Guatemala
357 Posts |
Maineman, I'm certainly not offended that the items are listed for sale. As I said in my first reply, I find Nazi-era items to be repugnant. But that's just me. I don't pretend to speak for anyone else, and if my family history were different, I'm sure I would feel differently. But, not everyone 'searches'. Some people, myself included, bookmark certain categories. If I'm browsing for Morgan dollars, I'd like to see real Morgan dollars. Not fakes. There is a category for replicas and copies. Not other coins. Now, people make mistakes, myself included. Before I spoke out, I actually looked at about 40 of the seller's auctions, and noticed that with the exception of Nazi period pieces, he was pretty good with putting his items in the appropriate category, though, he is a little heavy handed with the "Weird Stuff" category. The international trading rule, that I posted a link to above clearly says that it is the seller's responsibility to point out in the "Ship to" portion of the listing that they cannot ship specific items to countries were such items are illegal. This seller clearly says that he ships world wide. That is against the rule. When I joined ebay, I agreed to certain terms and rules. The same thing happened when I joined CCF. If I step beyond my bounds, it's merely by accident, and let me know, so I never do it again. I'm not offended because there are Nazi items on ebay. I just wish other folks at least tried to follow the rules, at least most of the time. Though I can't speak for the OP, I suspect that his umbrage comes from a similar standpoint.
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