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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I might be mistaken, but I dont know if all coins fall under the ban or not since some of them are made of silver they have a bullion value thats more than the numismatic value. As a related issue that has more pertinence in US law, ebay does an extremely poor job of blocking modern cuban coins which are illegal to buy and sell under us law. If you do report them they get taken down, but most dont get reported.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
9864 Posts |
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Edited by DBM 01/05/2011 8:30 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3592 Posts |
JMerrick, it says "you may help ensure compliance "...it doesn't say you "must"...just clearing that up as I read your link and couldn't understand how he was not in compliance. As for the OP..the title says it all,and that's really why I responded. bobby131313, I'm really surprised at your position after what you told Oblaka about businesses(banks) only needing to do what makes them money...and now you complain about being incovenienced by scrolling past something 
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2838 Posts |
It is a bit annoying considering its in the wrong category but thats across the board on ebay, some deliberate, some by mistake but most by stupidity and lazyness. They'd have to remove about 10% of the listings to solve that, they even encourage you to list in multiple categories as your listing. Love this from Maineman750: Quote: personally, I'm tired of hearing about people being offended and don't want to encourage political correctness. Perfectly covers how I feel too - sick of being told what I can and cant do, or say, or feel etc 
Edited by bobbyhelmet 01/05/2011 8:20 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
5953 Posts |
I think we are getting away from the point . Its about listing coins in the wrong category not what the coins are. This example just happens to be one that some find offensive. I have issues with people who deliberately list in the wrong category. I can only assume that people do this deliberately to try and attract the uninformed buyer. After all if most of a sellers coins are in the correct category then by demonstration he knows where they belong and I have to assume any change of category has to have ulterior reasons. I always view by category in ebay as has been pointed out if you just look at search results you miss a whole bunch of stuff. It bugs me to see coins that don't belong in the sections I'm looking at. When I was a newbie collector I might have been tempted by these miss categorized coins and bid in excess of their value through ignorance. I often see 2 Cent coins sell for more in the Civil war section than in the 2 Cent section because the buyers of the Civil war section do not have the numismatic knowledge to be informed buyers. I think the coins in question are place in the moragn dollar forum in the hope that someone who know nothing about them thinks 'cool I want one of those" Without really having an idea of what its worth. It may also be to get around listing rules for other ebay entities. I just know it bugs me so it has been duly reported..
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Forum Dad
 United States
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Quote: bobby131313, I'm really surprised at your position after what you told Oblaka about businesses(banks) only needing to do what makes them money.. My point in that thread was that the customer is not always right, which I thought I made pretty clear. The sellers are ebay's customers and in this case, this seller (customer) is wrong and needs to be told so.
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Valued Member
Guatemala
357 Posts |
Quote: JMerrick, it says "you may help ensure compliance "...it doesn't say you "must"...just clearing that up as I read your link and couldn't understand how he was not in compliance. Now this is the first 3 paragraphs of the "International Trading" page I referenced above. Quote:It's important that all listings and transactions comply with applicable laws. Members are responsible for ensuring that their transactions are lawful in both the country of the seller and the country of the buyer. We strongly encourage all members to learn about the laws of their own country as well as the countries where they plan to do business. Make sure your listings follow our guidelines. If they don't, they may be removed, and your buying and selling privileges could be restricted. If you, as a seller in the United States, list items that may not be allowed in all countries, you may help ensure compliance with applicable laws and/or ebay policies by following these listing practices: State on the sales form that you'll only ship your item within the United States. Include a clause in the item description describing any limitations on the items. For example, "No shipment to the United Kingdom or Germany." This is particularly helpful if the item(s) are prohibited in only certain countries. Now, Maineman, the ambiguity you spoke about comes from paragraph 3. Paragraph 1 says don't do it, and paragraph 2 says if you do it, we can pull your listings, and restrict your account. I'm not defending ebay. I generally don't like ebay. But, I'm certainly *NOT* going to defend a seller who lists coins in certain categories, particularly American categories, when, in fact, they have no U.S. coins for sale. The seller in question has been on ebay for 8 years, and he/she knows the rules. I'm not saying the rules are fair. But I agreed to follow them, and if I don't like them enough, I don't have to use ebay. I don't happen to like the direction this country is heading. Now, I could sit back and complain about it, like Joe Six Pack, or I can do what I'm doing. I'm moving elsewhere. One thing I won't do is compromise my integrity by picking and choosing which rules I feel like following on a daily basis.
Edited by JMerrick 01/05/2011 10:27 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3592 Posts |
JMerrick,I see your point,but believe the seller is in compliance unless he sells to the wrong country..which probably will not happen.Funny you should mention leaving this country while the poster above (nohope) is becoming a citizen on the 18th.(Congrats by the way) And once again (to all)the title of this post is why I responded...specifically "offended" which is just another word for "my feelings are hurt"...and bobbyhelmet clearly understands where I'm coming from.Had there been lincolns in the morgan section,I don't feel there would have been a post. bobby131313....eBay enjoys sellers that sell,that's how they make money.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2669 Posts |
Quote: absolutely respect their right to do so Indeed.. just as your right to deal with what you wish should also be respected. Like someone said earlier, it just happened to be Third Reich coins this time, but it's not really about which coin it is. I would also report Lincoln cents miscategorized in Kennedy halves. They have rules for a reason. If they didn't want things categorized correctly then everything could be thrown into a one big one. I personally find it extremely irritating to be looking for one thing in a category and see listings for something else that's not even related. Quote: specifically "offended" which is just another word for "my feelings are hurt" It can also mean displeased or angry. Not speaking for scubu here, but it sounded like it was meant to mean one of these two  Quote: eBay enjoys sellers that sell,that's how they make money. And CCF enjoys posters, that's what promotes education. But not if they don't follow the rules.Edited for clarity.
Edited by xshift 01/06/2011 11:16 am
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Valued Member
Guatemala
357 Posts |
That seller is very careful about which of his coins are mis-categorized. I stand by that statement. I looked for a pattern in his behavior before I made my first post on the subject. If there wasn't a market, he wouldn't be doing it. What irks me, in this situation, is there are a lot of normal, everyday people who sell all sorts of things throughout the world, because of ebay. They aren't trying to circumvent the rules, they're just trying to make a buck. And good for them! It would really be a shame to see a hand full of idiots, who make up their own rules, ruin the situation for everyone else. That already happened once, and I doubt the governments involved will be so generous next time. With regards to nohope's decision to become a citizen, and my decision to leave. Obviously, our situations are different, and I truly wish him only the best, and I applaud his decision to do what is best for himself. America really is the land of opportunity, for someone with initiative, and a willingness to work hard. I know this from my own experience. I also know that there are circumstances in my life that suggest that I would perhaps be happier elsewhere. I'm not fleeing from anything... I'm going someplace I know well, where I will be happy for the few years I have left.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3592 Posts |
I guess one thing that hasn't been shown to me are the rules about miscategorization...I am an ebay seller and I've never heard of them. Is it possible this seller hasn't either. That being said, I still stand by my original belief, learning to cope with inconvenience or even hardship is actually a builder of character, I for one don't want my children thinking they should be coddled to the point where they can't scroll past an item without feeling cheated,angry,displeased, or offended.Sounds like the road to unhappiness 
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Locked
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For something you seem to think is allowed just because no one has coddled you on over to the ebay rules they sure make it an incredibly easy standard item to report... 
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Valued Member
Guatemala
357 Posts |
I honestly don't mean to sound incredulous, but do you really think someone needs ebay to specifically say "Please don't post Zimbabwe Dollar Coins in the Beanie Baby category". That would be coddling someone. Now, you touched a very serious nerve with me with your last comment. I sincerely hope you weren't serious, but either way, let me explain "the road to unhappiness" to you. My first name does not start with J, and my last name is not Merrick. My screen name comes from Joseph Merrick, more commonly known as "The Elephant Man". I have a congenital medical condition which is extremely rare (about 120 cases, world wide). While it is not the same condition Mr. Merrick had, it causes similar deformation of the body. In my case, my lower body. I can not drive because my feet are now too big to use the pedals. I cannot take public transportation, because people are actually scared of me. People talk very slowly and loud to me, presuming I'm an idiot. Mind you, I have a Ph.D. I have actually been called "The Elephant Man" several times. I will be 44 in March, and I won't live to be 50. That's life. The funny thing is, my condition, and my own mortality don't make me unhappy. I'm playing the hand I was dealt, and so far, I've played very well. What makes me unhappy is blatant, and total ignorance, or those who know better who think that they fall back upon ignorance as a crutch. Every day I realize more and more how little I do know, and I act accordingly. Now, I did not tell you the above to get an apology from you. In fact, I would prefer that the subject be avoided. By every one. Now, what really, annoys me is living in a country where everyone complains about politics, but if you ask someone if they voted the answer more often than not is "Well no, but..." Life, (my life at least), is too short for that. As for your kids, I hope you teach them to listen more than they talk, to think for themselves, and not to be afraid to voice their opinions, even if they're in the minority. I guess an easier way of saying that would be "teach them to take responsibility for their own lives..." In closing let me say, I doubt you and I will see eye to eye. And that's OK. I'm fairly sure you did not intend to offend me with the "unhappiness" statement. I am many things, but politically correct is definitely not on the list.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12437 Posts |
Quote: I've never heard of them. Is it possible this seller hasn't either I seriously doubt it. How could anyone accidentally list Nazi Germany coins in the US section under Morgan dollars? That would be a very deliberate act and it is worth noting that the Morgan listing is one of the most heavily trafficked coin categories on ebay. This intentional miscategorization is a calculated move to get more eyes on his auctions regardless of ebay rules.
Edited by biokemist6 01/06/2011 2:55 pm
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Valued Member
United States
397 Posts |
Quote:How could anyone accidentally list Nazi Germany coins in the US section under Morgan dollars? Fairly easily if they use templates. Say you normally sell Morgans and set up a template where all you need to do is tweak a few words and change the pictures. If you go to sell something besides a Morgan and forget to change the category (which is very easy to do), your item get listed wrong. Mind you, I'm not saying that's what happened here.
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