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1902-P Morgan, Re-Grade?

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 Posted 01/05/2011  4:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sacoalminer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
first time poster, hope I am doing this correctly.
I have a 1902-P Morgan dollar that I purchased in 1981 & have decided to sell it. It was graded by ANACS in 1981 as a MS65/65.
Should I have it graded again & if so would I want to select another grading company or stay with ANACS Thanks
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 Posted 01/05/2011  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well I might suggest putting high quality photos up here so that people can look and see if it might be over or under graded.
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Well I might suggest putting high quality photos up here so that people can look and see if it might be over or under graded.


First off, to CCF!

Secondly, I agree with nod2003. It will be much easier to determine whether or not you should have the coin re-graded or not, based on the pictures.


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if so would I want to select another grading company or stay with ANACS Thanks


If you do decide to have the coin re-graded, I would stick with one of the well known graders. (PCGS, NGC, and ANACS)
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That brings up a good question. Will ANACS reholder their old coins (which tend to be overgraded) into the new yellow holders? If so, can the yellow holders really be trusted as more stringent?
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Will ANACS reholder their old coins (which tend to be overgraded) into the new yellow holders?


I'm sure they will for a small fee. Judging the coins individually is a better bet than basing the accuracy of the grade on the holder. And actually the OP is referring to the oldest ANACS holders where they graded both the obverse and the reverse, which are thought of as being graded fairly strictly.
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 Posted 01/05/2011  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes, we need photos and Welcome!
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 Posted 01/06/2011  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sacoalminer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please review & give feedback, & thanks for all the comments.

http://s1205.photobucket.com/albums...sacoalminer/
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Well, the coin has great details and from the pictures I am not seeing any distracting marks. Looks at least MS-65 based on these pictures.

Can you take a picture, trying to capture the luster?

Thanks
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 Posted 01/07/2011  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I presume the photo you posted was from the original ANACS photo certificate. Those images are great for spotting defects but do not reveal the luster quality. If you can take new photos of the coin outside its holder it might be useful.

As CanBank says, the coin has great detail and the surfaces look mark-free. If luster is good I expect it would grade MS-65 at PCGS which is the service I would use. PCGS-graded coins usually get the best sale price compared to the other TPG services.
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Will ANACS reholder their old coins (which tend to be overgraded) into the new yellow holders?

In this case, probably not since the coin is not actually slabbed. This coin dates to the time when the ANA operated ANACS and it has no connection at all to the current ANACS other than in name. Coins were photographed, a split obv/rev grade description was listed on the photograph certificate, and the coin was stapled to it in a small plastic bag. The coin was not sealed in any manner and could be easily removed. However, the photo certificate provided verification images of the coin. The photo cert coins tend to be graded quite conservatively so there should not be much worry about overgrading. These old photo certs are quite the collectors item now because so many coins have been separated from them over the years so the surviving numbers keep dwindling, they truly are a part of numismatic history. If you decide to get the coin regraded, please save the photo cert and sell it with the coin.
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That is a beautiful coin. 65 all day; it compares favorably with 66's I've seen, although the smaller photographs may be hiding details.

Early ANACS grading is popularly considered to be very strict. If you still have the original grading photosheet and written certification, and can conclusively relate the coin offered to the certification given. you will very likely get top-of-the-market MS65 money for the coin just as-is.

In the case of your coin, I see a few details which might help you get there. On the obverse, I see small marks next to the "E" and the "S." On the reverse, a small rim tick exists between the "IT" of "UNITED." Another possible mark is next to the "A" in "STATES." If these are genuine features, they'll probably be enough to tie the coin to the certification.

The problem, of course, is in finding a sales venue where these details will be of use to you. I'd advise against ebay unless you're a risk-taker, already have a good sales reputation and can write a very convincing auction. Even then, it might not work out for you.

Tough call, sacoalminer. At 65, your coin should bring $300+. At 66, double that. It's not currently slabbed - if you have the time to spare and room to profit, consider having your local dealer submit it for PCGS grading. If the coin looks in-hand like it does in the pics, I myself would spend the money to see if it got a 66.
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I would normally say reholder it for sure, but it might pay to ask around to see if there are collectors who pay a premium for nice coins in original early '80s ANACS packaging. People pay extra for PCGS rattlers and NGC-graded CC dollars in GSA holders, so it's possile.
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I would say since it's an old photograde, go ahead and send it in for "re" certification. If it grades higher then great. If not, it still has the original photograde.
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Wow, that's a nice looking coin. I've seen worse 65s, but how is the luster. It looks a little flat in the picture.

I was just getting into Morgans in 81 and don't know if ANACS was real conservative or not on Morgan dollars that year. Something that nice should probably have graded higher. But, even if it does grade out to a 66, the price is only 50 or 60 dollars more than a 65. I don't think it can qualify as a D or DCAM. But hey, I'm no expert.
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