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1918 Great Britian Sovereign - Fake?

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 Posted 01/09/2011  10:18 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I posted this on the identification forum but it probably belongs here. Anyway, the weight is right-about 8 grams. My 2005 Krause shows this issue (KM # 820) up to 1917 and then starts again in 1925.
Also is the 45 degree rotated reverse normal?
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 Posted 01/09/2011  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was ID'd on the identification forum. A worn P above the date shows it was minted in Perth.
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 Posted 01/10/2011  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No. Rotated reverse is not very normal in British Sovereigns. If it is, indeed it is a rare case according to my experience. However, I have known a lot of counterfeit Sovereigns were minted both to fool collectors and to pass in circulation back in their areas. If you haven't paid a premium or spot gold price of it, it's fine to have one in your collection. However, rotated reverse is always alarms me off as being a tourist copy or a souvenir. I also suspect the "9" and "8" in date as being a little bit crude compared to what Royal Mint in Tıwer of London used to be. However, for a better identification, close up high-resolution photos is a must.
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 Posted 01/10/2011  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CanadianCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes,the 8 looks a bit funny doesn't it.It might be worth sending for grading......
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Here's a better pix of the date out of the holder. Any ideas ?
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 Posted 01/10/2011  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well there is something not right about the "9" , "8" and "B.P." initials. They just don't feel right just like the rotated reverse. But if it's real, rotated reverse is rare in genuine British Sovereigns. Just my two pennies.
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 Posted 01/10/2011  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks molydeii. Where could I see a pix of a genuine sovereign for comparison?
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 Posted 01/11/2011  05:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Where could I see a pix of a genuine sovereign for comparison?

1st, Tony Clayton's site.

2nd, the link I suggested in the other forum.

Here I put together two dates side by side. My point is not that we need to look for an identical shape, they are from different mints after all, but that they are not that "perfect".

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 Posted 01/14/2011  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I showed the coin to my local coin/gold dealer and he said it was genuine. He also stated he has never seen the severe reverse rotaton before and that it may have a nice premium value. Does anyone know if it does? Here are new pix out of the holder.
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 Posted 01/16/2011  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add molydeii to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Numismio, nice find you have there. Congrats. Myself hasn't ever seen one with rotated reverse before too. However, I don't have the slightest idea how much premium it will add. Perhaps you want to get it slabbed, which seems to be very popular in the States. However, before paying to a slabbing service, perhaps you should get a second idea about it too.
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 Posted 01/16/2011  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the mintmark is "P" then it's an Australian coin, so you'll get a lot more comment in the Aussie forums as to value. I think error collectors are interested in rotated dies.
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 Posted 01/16/2011  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good idea DVCollector, I'm putting it over there.
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