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1832 Bust Half

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 Posted 01/10/2011  6:46 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nwc coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So, I was bidding on this coin:

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_ite...t_Id_No=1289

and eventually priced myself out of it. I love how it looks just how I would imagine it looked in 1832 when it came off of the mint. I'm curious though - how much of a premium can really be assigned to a coin that just has the right look? This one is getting up near retail value -- do most people consider paying retail or above for a coin that you could get with neutral toning closer to wholesale? Or does it really just become a personal preference at that point?

I know there are a lot of bust half collectors here -- so hopefully it will help someone find this coin rather than causing someone to pay a higher price if they were already bidding on it.


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 Posted 01/10/2011  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Syaoran_2001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A coin is worth whatever you wish to spend on it. If you like the coin, and can afford it, and have decided that that is what you want to spend that $300 on, then buy it, enjoy it and hopefully pass on the joy at sometime.

It seems today that the fun and joy is mostly gone from coin collecting. I think a lot of coin collectors today are coin investors, not collectors. They see their coins as commodities that are to be traded amongst other investors in order to maximize their profit. I collect coins as a hobby because it brings me pleasure. I enjoy the artwork of coins past, and I collect coins to appeal to my aesthetic and rarely think about value. I think about value when I'm purchasing because I only spend what I can afford and from money that I have specifically set aside for coin purchases.
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 Posted 01/10/2011  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nwc coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, I agree. But one thing that does take away from the hobby for me is thinking I got ripped off. That's why I was curious about this coin. I guess being newer to the hobby I have more trepidation when it comes to big purchases... Especially since it would be a 7070 upgrade for me and not a hole filler.

I guess you have a good point though - the other side of the value of the coin is whatever value you get from it.. If it's a $400 coin to me, and I like it better other coins of a higher grade, then I should spend $400 on it. Odds are when my kids sell it after I die, someone else will find it attractive too.

I was hoping someone else might buy it from the forum since it's one that I found so nice.
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 Posted 01/10/2011  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When it comes to buying coins, particularly those above XF, I prefer doing that at larger coin shows. Granted that Heritage does a great job with their pics, shows offer a distinct advantage for assessing eye-appeal and and comparison shopping, methinks.

High grade Bust Halves are a common commodity; especially, those from the 1830's. Also, there's the often seen unevenness of strike. Then too, I've seen many an evenly struck, evenly worn XF that possessed better eye-appeal than slabbed AU's. With a low to mid-50's, AU specimen, one's eye is more easily drawn to the high spots that show wear, like the cheek and the wings. An evenly worn and struck XF+ evinces lesser contrast in wear spots at a lower cost. Of course, this speaks to personal taste ... Just something to consider, mind you.

If one pays say $400 for a $300 coin (perceived market value), I doubt that he's getting ripped as you say. If I like the coin and can afford it, I'd not mind paying above retail. On the other hand, if one buys a coin that he'll likely improve upon in the not-too-distant future, it might better be at a price that will allow him to recoup his expense.

Regarding this specific coin, it's one that can definitely be improved upon; this, despite its eye-appeal. To me, there's always the thrill of the hunt. If one is seeking a rare variety that could elude discovery for years, it's best to buy the first one that's encountered. Such is not the case with this coin ... So, happy hunting!
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 Posted 01/10/2011  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very nice--out of my range though
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 Posted 01/11/2011  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nwc coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks ExoGuy - those are some good points. And you're right - I've got a show coming up this weekend, so perhaps I should look for the reeded edge half I'm missing there. Will have lots of side by side comparisons to make. That's easier - although the lighting tends to be bad there.

And like you said "perceived market value".. I guess all prices are for the common coin in that grade.. if the coin has a better look the grade, the real value would be higher. So I guess I should be okay with going over for the right coin..

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 Posted 01/11/2011  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bust Halves in higher circulated to Mint State grades are a tough buy. They're available, but the buying audience is astute and unafraid to spend money. The collector base is large, and they're all building complete sets based on Overton varieties, so the competition is fierce.

This is one series where I wouldn't be afraid to go over "book" pricing for the right coin.
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 Posted 01/11/2011  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could also be a scarcer Overton variety.
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 Posted 01/11/2011  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a 7070 and gold collector mostly. Eye appeal is at the top of the list for me. If things go the way I plan, I'll be dead when the day comes the coins are sold, so I'll never recognize a gain or loss from an accounting perspective.

To answer your question, absolutely yes, people do spend more than retail for the right look. I am one of those data points. How much? It depends. If it's a $5 Indian Head cent with the right look, heck, I might pay $12 or a 140% premium if I'm tired of looking. That extra $7 won't take food off my table though. As I climb up the price food chain, the % premium I might pay decreases drastically. I don't think I'd ever pay much more than $50 over retail for anything though.

The key is that it's my collection so I get to call the shots. I've had chances to get AU coins near wholesale, but I thought they were ugly, so I passed. Instead I bought VF at or slightly above retail since I thought they looked great. Many have said I'm not normal though.
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It is O-116 (R-3), and a rather sorry example of it as well.... Notice how the stripes and crossbars on the eagle's shield are virtually non existent...the design is flat all over this thing.....very little detail..... this is probably the ugliest CBH I have ever seen (and I am not joking).
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I did notice the excessive wear on the reverse eagle wings and the lack of detail on the shield.

My first impression was that the AU-53 grade was too high and the color didn't match the wear.
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Glad I didnt go over $300 on it! I guess this goes to prove that you cant trust the slab, and always have to know enough about grading it yourself before purchasing. Thanks for the info on this guys -- I learned a lot.

By the way - you mentioned it's probably the ugliest you have seen.. Am I wrong in thinking the lack of toning is nice here? Or does that strictly vary from person to person (obviously it doest a little since I thought it was nice).. Or was it the wear/strike that makes you feel it's ugly?

Still trying to learn as much as I can before buying too much.. it's hard though.. my fingers want to feel new coins in my hands :)
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I'm glad you didn't go over $300 also.... I have seen much nicer go for much less.... this particular variety is notorious for a weak reverse, and I think that is why it graded so high.... The obverse is unusually flat as well though in the stars and hair, the flatness of the cheek on this coin I personally attribute to wear.... The reverse is far flatter than any other example of this particular variety I have seen.... the upper crossbars are normally obscured, but the stripes are not... what I meant by ugly is that I do not like flat strikes and this coin is extremely flat.... If you like flat strikes, then this is the coin for you..... I imagine that the bid is up so high, not because of the holder or the grade or the variety, but because of the weak strike... a lot of folks want coins that cross over into the extreme, into the bizarre, and this one probably fits the bill for them when it comes to flat strikes.
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