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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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perhaps that the actual market value of tangible silver is higher than spot.
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Valued Member
United States
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Good Old Fashioned supply and demand Boys! LOL! The Banksters are at it again! If our own US mint can't get enough Silver to meet demand? What will the electronic fund holders do if everybody demands delivery of physical Silver for their paper holdings? The street dealers are just that, what do you expect? A little tip for buying... Walk into your dealer with a small ammount of what you are out to buy... In Example a Morgan dollar... Catch the dealer in front of a crowd of customers if possible... Don't let the dealer know you've got a pocket full of cash!! Ask him, hey what will you give me for this? When He low-balls you (like the slime they are), ask what the same coin is selling for... He'll want to seem like he's not making a huge profit especially in front of the crowd! DROP THE HAMMER and pull your money out and buy! It will only take once for you to make a scene like this and you'll be treated fairly afterward!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: What's up with this drop? I know that around 3/4 of the people here had predicted it would continue to steadily rise, so I'm wondering: I think most of us that has seen the metal; markets activity through out the years said it usually falls at the beginning of a new year and that is exactly what happened. it was steady from the end of December just floating around the same number and then fell back a little after that. If you think it will rise again then now is a good time to buy
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote: When He low-balls you (like the slime they are), ask what the same coin is selling for... He'll want to seem like he's not making a huge profit especially in front of the crowd! There are con guys instead of coin guys out there, OldFlabbergeezer, but do you consider the overhead of coin dealers? Rent, electricity bills of their stores plus making enough to do the same with their own personal residences? Think about that before you call people slime.
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Valued Member
United States
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With the volatility of metals, here is what happens to dealer's who are trying to be fair. When spot is $30.00, the dealer may be selling for $33.00, and buying for $28.00(keeping the spread somewhat fair, as to not rip off customers selling). This five dollar spread allows them to make a profit. Every business needs to make a profit right?
Now, lets say spot price drops down to $25.00 per ounce. They may be sitting on a load of silver they paid $28.00 for. They have 2 choices, raise the premium over spot to make a profit, or not sell it at all. This may make it seem as though they are overcharging, when in fact, they are not. If the price rises, most dealers will lower the premium a bit over spot, or they gain a larger profit margin on their investment.
Here's a great example: Today, you can find silver online anywhere from $1.19 to $4.00 over spot, depending on what you're buying. Back when silver was $9.00/oz spot, American eagles cost around $17.00 each, almost double spot price.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Yeah, there are slimy coin dealers, but then again, there are slimy customers. Don't be either
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Valued Member
United States
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True rodime! If you want to take the time to buy off the internet & sell on the internet, you can get good deals and sell over spot all day long. If you want the ease and convenience of a local store, don't expect the same deals. If the dealer is slimy and cheats folks, he will probably get what is coming to him down the road anyway, just don't go back. Me? I buy and sell online exclusively...but I also buy and sell my cars with craigslist/autotrader & stay away from the car dealers too!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: There are con guys instead of coin guys out there, OldFlabbergeezer, but do you consider the overhead of coin dealers? Rent, electricity bills of their stores plus making enough to do the same with their own personal residences? Think about that before you call people slime.
 I feel like they have to make a decent profit in order to stay open. A dealer may offer $50 for your $100 ( Red Book) coin and may have to sit on it for weeks or even months before someone comes in and wants to buy it. He may ask $95 for it and end up with $75. Not a lot of wiggle room when you start thinking about over head and putting food on the table.
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Valued Member
Canada
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I have to say this has been an interesting read. Just started my foray into silver, whether or not I'm buying at the peak doesn't matter too much to me as its mostly for a keepsake for the lil bugger when he grows up.
Still doing a lot of reading, but hard to separate the truth, from the fear mongering rift raft at times :P
Anyways, I'll probably keep on stacking! Don't know what else to spend my money on!
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: There are con guys instead of coin guys out there, OldFlabbergeezer, but do you consider the overhead of coin dealers? Rent, electricity bills of their stores plus making enough to do the same with their own personal residences? Think about that before you call people slime. Whenever I hear what ripoffs coin dealers are, I wonder two things: What the complainers think is a fair profit for someone 100% at risk on $1000 transactions. Consider that a real estate broker gets 6% of an average $100,000+ transaction, and risks absolutely nothing. Why the complainers don't take advantage of this niche and open their own stores and make a fortune.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
648 Posts |
My dealers that I visit @ coin shows are cool. Those are the ones who ask for $36 per oz, no tax etc. - I usually give them $38 bucks (on a few oz's -- not a lot). They really appreciate things like that and some are just flat out surprised I'm giving them more than they asked. I understand they have a business to run and I tell them that. The next time I visit them at the next local coin show, they remember and give ME discounts etc. In the grand scheme of my 1000 oz goal, I don't mind giving a few bucks here and there as a tip. Give a little, take a little & build a good business relationship. That philosophy has worked out well for me so far.
Edited by tripncoins 06/03/2011 8:27 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
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No dealer charges tax, they only collect it as representatives of their state taxing authority. If a dealer doesn't collect tax, he's breaking the law. I know at least one in Ahia who did prison time for it. When you go to sell your ASE for $75, your cost will be assumed to be $1, since you have no receipt. So you pay $11 more income tax to save $2 sales tax. No bargain. Most states with sales taxes also have use taxes. If you buy from out of state, you are responsible for paying the use tax. Just a heads-up on the legal ramifications of a little round of "screw the government".
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Pillar of the Community
United States
648 Posts |
BiggFredd - interesting, thanks for the note. Question - I go to a local brick and mortar shop who are great folks. However, they tell me if the transaction purchase is greater than $1,000 - then there is no tax at all. (Texas) - thoughts?
Edited by tripncoins 06/04/2011 10:06 am
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Rest in Peace
United States
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My guess is Texas law assumes that anyone buying $1000+ of PM, is buying for investment/eventual resale, and therefore shouldn't pay sales tax, just like any retailer/reseller.
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Valued Member
United States
362 Posts |
A couple weeks ago I was at a coin show and one of the guys there was selling a 100 oz bar for 4800, silver was at 35.50 an ounce, I asked him why it was so expensive, he told me he bought it for 4500, and was going to sit on it.
Its a very dynamic business, but if the market goes up, or down there is room for growth, if it ever stays the same price it would be hard to make a profit
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