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 Posted 02/13/2011  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realpenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
C_C: Here is a copy of the currency act that has already been posted in this thread.
http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/st...-c-c-52.html

There are a few sections that affect this coin. I have already commented on the one section in this thread. Unless you go to case law (or talk to a lawyer) to find out how the law has been interpreted and under what conditions the act is as good as it gets. Or email the RCM and maybe a RCM lawyer will tell you. A customer service representative is hardly qualified to speak on the subject. You might as well ask people on the internet.

Or go to the RBC's bank site and click contact us and ask them what their policy is on taking NCLT's.

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02/13/2011 11:45 pm
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 Posted 02/14/2011  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vinnycoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm still amazed at the amount of discussion there is whether or not this coin is legal tender.. especially on some other forums where it can get quite ugly.

Its just that to me, if you're that hard up for cash, you shouldnt be using your money to buy coins!

Oh well, I guess people just like to argue and hear (read?) their own voice. I may be over simplfying the ramifications of this coin being legal tender vs. NCLT, but I'm just gonna enjoy displaying them :P
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 Posted 02/14/2011  01:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realpenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^^^ It is simple.

By law it is.

Does that mean everyone working at a corner store is going to know that? No.
Does that mean all corner stores won't except it? No. Some will and some won't. By law they can refuse ANY money.
Do banks except it? Yes.
Does that mean all tellers know they should? No.
Will you die driving your car? It is not likely, but it is possible.
Should you drive your car? That is up to you.

In general, black and white or extremes is all people know or can deal with (simple minds). Thinking or finding out answers is not what most people do - they assume they know; they never actually try to find out. Specifics matter. If you want a coin that is simple and straight forward do not buy this coin. If you are worried about losing a $20 paper bill use debit cards. By law, if you unknowingly get a fake $20 paper bill - you are out the money. Last person holding it loses it, even if you did nothing wrong. Nothing is as straight forward as it seems, even though the simpletons think it is.
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02/14/2011 01:48 am
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 Posted 02/14/2011  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrpiedfort to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the direct link to all 16 reviews on the $20 Commemorative coin.http://www.mint.ca/store/product/pr...1&lang=en_CA
Yes, last week there were 18 reviews and it's not the first time the RCM has done something like that.
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 Posted 02/14/2011  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I may be over simplfying the ramifications of this coin being legal tender vs. NCLT


Maybe. This case is a bit different because $20 for $20... puts this coin in a different category I would say. I don't think it's a matter of being hard on cash, because again, there is no mark up. I don't get your insinuation that posters want to hear their own voice.
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 Posted 02/14/2011  12:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vinnycoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@CC, Sorry, didnt' mean anyone here in this thread. Referring to some other silver forums I visit where the thread ends up turning into a personal bashing smorgasborg.
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 Posted 02/14/2011  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I know vinny, not sure why but coins (NCLT in particular) tend to heat up quite a bit. You'd think it is a relatively benign subject (as opposed to politics for instance).

I think this coin is unique in the sense that it does not follow the typical NCLT profile. We'll talk more of the legal aspect of it because I think history can repeat itself, and we'll just rehash the same debate we had 20 years ago.
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 Posted 02/14/2011  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not reading the whole thread, forgive me if this repeats.

Remember the 28 $5+10 Olympic coins? At one point, the silver value dropped below face. A group of dealers bought hundreds of thousands of $ worth at discount prices, since exchange banks won't take coins (hard to handle).

They took them to Canada to swap for USD at the exchange rate, but the banks wouldn't take them to just have them sit in the vault. How about opening an account? No dice.

Finally, the government agreed to accept them at exchange value face, but only towards mint products at regular price.
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 Posted 02/14/2011  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NickleHalfDime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heh, they should have just waited for silver to rebound. Would have made more money. :P
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 Posted 02/15/2011  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

The Currency Act (posted link) is interesting. It implies:

(1) The coin is "current", since it is authorized by the RCM
(2) The coin is eligible to be legal tender, because it is current
(3) It is only legal tender for a single coin per "payment" (> $10 rule)

It's interesting the act has specifics for coins with denominations beyond $2 and beyond $10. Covering future bases, or are those specific to NCLT?

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 Posted 02/15/2011  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realpenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^^^ It is been thought out to cover all bases for coins (now and in the future) which includes NCLT's.

The number limits on coins are to stop people who have to pay taxes or parking tickets from paying in cents etc. Some people try to be "smart/funny" but the act prevents them from doing this. If you bring in a reasonable number of coins to a bank or to pay the government you will have no problem. Bringing 3 or 10 of these coins to the bank should pose you no problem. Bringing in a thousand probably will. Most people are reasonable about it, but like all laws they are written for the "lowest common denominator" types in society.

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02/15/2011 6:17 pm
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 Posted 02/15/2011  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
lowest common denominator


One of those denominators thought he was clever...

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_...-tries-.html


BTW: my coins have shipped today
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02/15/2011 8:25 pm
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 Posted 02/16/2011  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NickleHalfDime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Who here can guess what I got in the mail today!?

My credit card bill!

But that's alright because it was hidden behind a box of ten 20$ fine silver coins!
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 Posted 02/16/2011  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HawkC026 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@NickleHalfDime..............pics or it didn't happen
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 Posted 02/16/2011  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NickleHalfDime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hawk, only a fool would post pictures of his credit card statement on a public forum! If you want to pay my bill I accept donations in cash or paypal.

Oh you mean the coins! Yes yes of course! *wink* I'll post a picture but you'll have to forgive me. My camera is in the shop so you'll have to settle for camera phone quality!






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