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My Frankfurt-On-The-Main 1863 Project

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 Posted 05/19/2012  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lobby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bacchus,

I suppose An 13, means the 13th year of Napoleon's rise to power? Or something similar?
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 Posted 05/19/2012  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tzarmarko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Exactly! An means year, so year 13. :D So egoistic, these emperors. :D
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 Posted 05/19/2012  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I "think" the "an" actually refers to the years after the revolution rather than Napoleon himself ruling (I may be wrong)) - however he seemed to see himself as some sort of Roman Caesar - hense he favoured being called first consul of a republic - when in reality he was an emperor, However it's certainly egotistical to consider yourself an lifetime Emperor of a "Republic".
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 Posted 07/01/2012  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another thaler.
A very very common coin and one that seems to have circulated widely as most examples that are seen are well worn. This one is about average for the type, though I've noticed that prices for them have been rising recently.

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Friedrich Wilhelm III
1818 1 Thaler
Ob. FRIEDR. WILHELM III KOENIG VON PREUSSEN
Rev. EIN THALER
Edge: GOTT MIT UNS
Silver 0.7500
22.2720g
mintage: unknown
Mint: Berlin


Frederick William III was the father of two Kings of Prussia:

Frederick William IV of Prussia (1795-1861)
William I of Prussia (1797-1888)

and his own reign was some 43 years.

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 Posted 07/02/2012  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Annother coin added - one that fills a gap from the main photo

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Georg V
1861 1 Thaler
Ob. GEORG V v G. G. KOENIG v. HANNOVER
Rev. EIN VEREINSTHALER XXX EIN PFUND FEIN
Edge: NEC ASPERA TERRENT
Silver 0.9000
18.5200g
mintage: 736,000
Mint: Hannover
KM 2244

Kinge Georg V (last King of Hannover) was a full cousin of Queen Victoria and he spent the last 45 years of his life completely blind - as is hinted at in his stance in the main photo.

Hannover was absorbed by Prussia in 1866 and George and his family fled to Austria where he help hopes that his crown could be recovered. He is actually burried in St. Georges Chapel, Windsor, England as he still held a number of British titles chief being the duke of Cumberland but also including the Earl of Armagh (a title of the Irish Peerage of the time).

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 Posted 07/02/2012  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrisild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, the end of the Kingdom of Hannover was a result of the Prussian-Austrian War (1866) which Austria and its allies lost. The nice side effect for Prussia was that much of Georg's assets (and those of Hessen-Kassel's Friedrich Wilhelm) could be confiscated. Both Georg and Friedrich Wilhelm were authoritarian rulers, and possibly not missed much ;) , but their money was then used mostly for Bismarck's reptile fund, a kind of of slush fund ...

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 Posted 07/03/2012  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My last addition for a while

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Gunther Friedrich II
1865 1 Thaler
Ob. GUNTHER FR. C. II FRUST Z. SCHWARZB. SONDERSH
Rev. EIN VEREINSTHALER XXX EIN PFUND FEIN
Edge: GOTT MIT UNS
Silver 0.9000
18.5200g
mintage: 10,400
Mint: Arnstadt
MM:

Quite a low mintage coin and one that's pricy enough to obtain. Krause values are so far off for all these coins as to be laughable.

Gunther II Prince of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen was born on September 24th 1801 and succeeded the throne after the abdication of his father on August 19th 1835.

The Princes of the House of Schwarzburg belong to a very wealthy and ancient family, one which became Emperor of Germany in the 14th century. It was partly because of this lineage that the house was left undisturbed at the Congress of Vienna, instead being mediatised -- similar to a number of other rulers.

The Prince received some 150,000 thalers (£22,340) annually, this being nearly a quarter of the countries revenue. Gunther was also in receipt of a large income from private estates in Bohemia and Mecklenburg, purchased mostly by his father who exercised the trade of brewer as a monopoly in his lands.

The government was an absolute monarchy so you are certainly right, I suspect none of them were much missed :).

The area of Schwarzburg- Sondershausen covered 318 square miles and contained 64,894 inhabitants.
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 Posted 07/03/2012  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful thalers!
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 Posted 07/08/2012  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks,

Of my intiial goal, I only have 6 spaces (or seven?) left to fill. I never thought I'd get this far.

Three of those left are of the city states - and a couple of those I'll have to think about how I approach it - as it's not that neat.

For intrest here are a couple of trays with what's there so far (plus a few other odds and sods.

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 Posted 07/09/2012  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Paul to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,
I've enjoyed following this thread. I just noticed that Georg V of Hanover looks somewhat strange in that picture. It almost looks like he only has one leg -but you can see both feet. I assume that one leg is behind he other, but if that is the case then the position of his torso is odd. Also it looks like his left hand is a pirate-style hook. Was he injured in some way? Of is that just an artifact of the photo?

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 Posted 07/10/2012  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
HI,

Yes - I always thought his stance was a bit odd - then I discovered he was blind. I suspect they weren't quite as sensitive to getting things perfect back them. His "hooked hand" is just him resting his hand on his sword hilt, and as you say he has one leg behind another - it takes a moment to work it out. I think that's what I like about it - it's not completely stiff and formal - and there is no symetry - I suspect the photographer was not in a position to tell this number of monarchs what to do. :)
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 Posted 09/13/2012  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another space filled with a thaler from Nassau of Adolphe I. He was born on July 24th 1817 and ruled Nassau from 1839 until Nassau was annexed by Prussia in 1866. Due to close family ties with the royal family from the Netherlands Adolphe became Grand Duke of Luxemburg on November 23rd 1890 until his death at Hohenberg Castle on November 17th 1905. Adolphe, a Lutherian, married a niece of Emperor Nicholas I of Russia in 1844 who died in childbirth only a year after. Adolphe built the Church of St. Elizabeth as her funeral church. His main home was Biebrich Castle, sited on the Rhine.

His full titles in 1863 were:
Duke of Nassau;
Count Palatine of the Rhine;
Count of Sayn, Königstein, Katzenelbogen, Diez;
Burgrave of Hammerstein;
Lord of Mahlberg, Wiesbaden, Idstein, Merenberg, Limburg [an der Lahn], Epstein;


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Adolph
1864 1 Thaler
Ob. ADOLPH HERZOG ZU NASSAU
Rev. SEGENSREICHER REGIERUNG ZUR FEIER 25 JAEHRIGER / DEN 21 AUGUST 1864
Ed. XXX EIN PFUND FEINEIN GEDENKTHALER
Silver 0.9000
18.5200g


Only a few spaces to go - but I have noticed that the prices of these are going through the roof. I'm glad I got the bulk of them when I did.
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 Posted 09/17/2012  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bacchus2, I appreciate your patience and hard work to gather so many gorgeous German old coins. I also have some old German coins, I also study their histories so your descriptions about these kings and emperors are attractive to me.

About King George V of Hannover, I have some information that want you to clarify if you know.


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According to "Britain's Royal Families The Complete Genealogy" by Alison Weir, page 291, there is a note "King George went blind following an accident in 1834)

But the Wikipaedia's information:
"George spent his childhood in Berlin and in Britain, losing the sight of one eye following a childhood accident and illness in 1828.[1] He lost the sight in the other eye in 1833."

Which one of the above information do you confirm?

There is a question about the coin. On the reverse side, do you know the meaning of the words "BERGSEGEN DES HARZES"? Thank you for your attention.

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 Posted 09/17/2012  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Glad you like the thread.

One of my sources for information is the Encyclopedia Britannica which says "He lost sight in one eye during a childhood illness and in the other by an accident in 1833". I tend to think they are quite reliable - more so than Wikipedia though in this case Wikipedia appears to have got it right.

I can't help with the translation I'm afraid, but there are a few German speakers who follow this thread who might chip in.
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 Posted 09/18/2012  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wonghinghi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find the meaning of "BERGSEGEN DES HARZES". It means a blessing of the Harz mines in Hanover. So this thaler was produced from this mine.
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