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Thoughts And Expierences Buying Coins At Auction Houses

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 Posted 01/30/2011  08:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was wondering what everyone thought of buying coins at this venue?
I could not attend an auction I was planning to (upstate new york weather) but called in an absentee bid. I offered $90 on a circulated 1921 peace, plus 13% buyers fee, and was surprised I didn't get it. Can deals be had?
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 Posted 01/30/2011  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've bid in a near-local online auction with a 15% internet bidders' premium and have nailed down several good deals. As with any auction, however, it only takes two people to drive prices up. Usually, I research only coins in which I'm interested and enter my pre-bid at exactly the maximum price to which I'll go, and as the auction progresses keep an eye on lots which are going below value and bid on them.

"Absentee" bids are like bidding blind, IMHO. Your $90 bid might have been topped by one for $91, and if you'd been following the auction you might have topped the $91 with $92 and won the lot at below its value.
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 Posted 01/30/2011  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have quit with the online absentee bidding after my $40 absentee bid was trumped by a live $40 bid. I asked the auctioneer how this could happen. Her reply was that I had a max bid of $40 and the final live bid was $40. So in order for me to have won the bid I would have had to have a max bid of $45. I told her that My bid came before the Live bid and that they should have had to bid the $45 instead of me. She disagreed.

But back to the original question, yes very good bargains can be had at auction houses if you have right crowd. What I mean by that is this, mostly women. They tend not to bid on coinage as much and if they do they usually drop out of the bidding early. The worst crowd to bid against is older men, 50+ years old who have no idea as to a coins value. They tend to think "It's old, gotta be worth a lot of money".
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 Posted 01/30/2011  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to agree with the type of crowd at a auction. I went to an estate auction that had tons of carnival glass and furniture. The women were controlling the bids on that stuff. When the coins finally came up, not one of them was bidding. It was just myself and 1 other guy bidding. I got alot of stuff from that auction cheap.
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 Posted 01/30/2011  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really wanted to go to this auction. They had a proof IHC and a BU '15s Buffalo nickel
I would have liked to have seen, and see what they brought. A lot of gold was sold also.
It's a hour and a half away but if I can't win a '21 peace for around a hundred, well
you see where I'm coming from. I'm actually bummed they accept absentee bids.
They seem to have them every few months or so, I'll eventually get there.
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 Posted 01/30/2011  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe the "Coin and stamp" auction isn't the way to go. Estate auctions may be better?
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 Posted 01/30/2011  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add omahaorange to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to agree with the posters who point out the crowd. I do live auctions, and have put some absentee bids on some other not-so-local ones. I win about 50%. Older men tend to bid the most; I have seen coins and bullion go for several times their actual value. I don't know how many times after a round of bidding I've scratched my hear and thought "what were they thinking?". There are some good deals to be had. There are some incredibly eager bidders as well. Rule stands...bid what you're willing to pay, don't go over that limit.
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 Posted 01/30/2011  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Funny Money to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Always had good luck at auctions. They do tend to over-grade in my opinion, but there are deals to be had.
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 Posted 01/30/2011  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Maybe the "Coin and stamp" auction isn't the way to go. Estate auctions may be better?


These seem to be well advertised and attract a lot of buyers that are stackin the cash and will not be out bid by someone if at all possible.
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 Posted 01/30/2011  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TAFMAN618 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I acquired most of my collection by buying at both coin and estate auctions. Between mid-2008 to late 2009, I could obtain a broad spectrum of various silver quarters, halves, and dollars as well as mint and proof set at very reasonable pricing. Often, I could buy lots of coins and mint/proof set greatly below the referenced Blue Book pricing. For example: My best buy was twenty-five Barber halves (1897 - 1915) at $3.00 a piece.

I think my "deal" days are over though. Lately, I encounter bidders who create bidding wars that result in final pricing far beyond Red Book prices. Last month, prior to selling coins, an auctioneer mentioned silver was at $29.00 per ounce and projected to climb over $50.00 an ounce by the end of the summer. Of course, this only fed the bidding frenzy. I witnessed three silver 1976 bicentennial coin sets sell for $27.00 a piece. This clearly supports how a new collector or ill-informed bidder can pay way too much for a specific coin or collection.
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 Posted 01/30/2011  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
almost 50% of my coins came from actual bidding heads-on or face to face with other bidders, with members of the club or sponsored outsiders by members.

The lesson I learned very early on, is to know precisely the value of what I am bidding on. If one bids on whim or nice looks of the coin, it'll probably be disastrous ... for the bidder

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 Posted 01/31/2011  09:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If two mail bids go in at the same price, the first one takes precedence.

I bid regularly in a mail bid auction series. If I am successful on at least one bid, the item is posted to me, along with a list of prices realised. Also, if I am successful on at least one bid, the catalogue for the next sale is sent to me free of charge when it is released.

If two bids are submitted, say at $250 and $450, the item is sold to the highest bidder at 5% above the price of the second highest bidder, in this case, that would be $250 + 5% = $262.50. A buyer's premium is added to this: 15% + 10% tax = 16.5%. This makes the total cost to the successful bidder $262.50 + 16.5% = $308.81 plus postage and packaging. You can get very fast in working all of this out on a calculator in about 3 seconds flat.

Unsold lots are re offered at a fixed price for sale, that price being the reserve price at the auction.

There is no auction room drama, I can research the value of items I wish to bid on, and can take up to a fortnight to do that before either posting or emailing my bids.

I always pay by money order. That way there is no disclosure of any of my financial details via the keyboard. I don't have to worry about unknown data mining or Trojan horses in my computer that I don't know about. Besides, money orders are cheaper than bank drafts or electronic money transfer for me. I have sent hundreds of dollars overseas in this way.
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01/31/2011 09:12 am
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 Posted 01/31/2011  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I keep away from all auctions ever since I met someone that was being paid to bid on items to get the prices up.
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 Posted 01/31/2011  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add palaniappan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i have never been to a auction, but after reading your posts, I feel I should attend one, one is coming up in my city this month. I will attend it for sure, and see to it that my bids win for the right type of coins.
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 Posted 02/01/2011  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add General Tso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have tried internet auctions. I get very few deals. Once you factor in buyer's fees and shipping the deal is gone.

I have yet to try a "live" in person one.
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 Posted 02/01/2011  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsoldier to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have had lots of success when biiding and buying at local estate auctions. However, I find it is almost impossible to get a reasonable deal with the big professional auction venues. the main thing to remember at auctions is that your only defense is knowledge.
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