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Hi Everyone, I have a question about the "Full Bands" on the reverse of the Mercurys. I've been working on fine tuning my grading knowledge on Mercurys, and I hear a lot of talk about Full Bands. My question is, is there any credit for almost full bands? I have a few mercs where the bands are almost completely separated except for a tiny hair size section where they are fused. Is it all or nothing, or would something like that be called "Almost Full Bands"? Thanks everyone.
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My question is, is there any credit for almost full bands?

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lol, nice.. So, all or nothing here then, huh?
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Yes, it is all or nothing. Most grading companies are pretty stringent- the bands not only need to be separated but rounded as well.
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At coin shows all the time dealers like to brag and point out full bands. Prices fly upwards with that.
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Sometimes there is a premium if the coin is 1945 from Philadelphia. Other than that a high quality uncirculated coin will bring more than an average uncirculated coin.
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 Posted 02/15/2011  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rkp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it is all or nothing (except for the 1945).

". Most grading companies are pretty stringent- the bands not only need to be separated but rounded as well."

However, the above statement is not true. In order to receive the FB designation the bands need to be fully separated. rounded bands command a premium but are NOT necessary for the designation.

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/articl...d=313&type=1
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To me, having full bands is only contributing to the grade assessment of one side of the coin only. I have a few FB Mercurys, but only one where the quality of strike on the obverse is as good as the reverse, it is MS63 both sides, perhaps MS64. This coin is the only one which I consider truly qualifies for full banding. The others, whilst having full banding, don't cut the mustard, and are MS60 at best, because of the lower grade and poorer strike obverse.

The superior coin that I have is of one of the most common dates.
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Heh, it appears that PCGS is playing fast and loose with the descriptors again, just like with FBL Franklins and only counting the lower bell lines.

From David Lange-

Grading services such as Numismatic Guaranty Corporation distinguish between Mercury dimes that have full bands and those that do not. The designation FB follows the grade for coins having fully split and raised bands. http://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading...y-Dimes.aspx

sel_69l brings up a very good point- you can have a brand new reverse die that will strike coins with hammered fasces bands but it could be paired with a VLDS obverse die. That combo could produce a FB coin but not a Full Details coin. I will take a Full Details coin over a Full Bands coin any day
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Yes it's all or nothing when it comes to FSB. But after reading both articles that were provided in these postings, I again see strong evidence were grading is a matter of opinion. Especailly in this article, http://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading...y-Dimes.aspx were the grader just simply changes his scale to suit him. Thus creating a differance in the standard, and between grading companies.


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