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Need Help With A Kwang Tung Silver Dollar | Replica

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Hi all, I think I looked at every image of a Kwang Tung silver dollar on the internet and I have not seen anything that can help further identify this coin. Couple of things to note on the obverse, Province is spelled "PROYINCE" and it appears there is a die crack across the dragon starting under the P in PROYINCE and extending downwards toward the 2. On the reverse is a "Ji" Mint Mark in the center circle.

Thanks in advance for any help...bgardening

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Unfortunately, your coin is a modern counterfeit. Although in English it says it's form Canton Province, the center character on the other side says "Ji," meaning it was minted in Jilin Province.

I'm not aware of the "proyince" spelling on any genuine coins, and this is an interesting sign of counterfeits.

Also, the color looks off. True silver, even when scanned, appears white while yours has a grey sheen. You can also try a magnet on it. If it sticks, then it's a dud.
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Thanks WD1040, It did not pass the magnet test. But now I'm curious as to what it actual says on the coin.

A friend brought this back from China along with a 1913 and 1920 Silver 5 Yuan coins, at least they pass all the test for silver
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I suggest that you check the weights for the others: not all counterfeits are magnetic.
these should all weigh in about the same as a Spanish silver dollar, about 28 grams.
in my limited experience, the duds aren't even close: often 19~20 grams.

I love the mis-spellings: I'd pay $1 for that one.

these and others are widely sold at "night markets" in China.

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I can help you with reading it

The words at the top are Manchu script. Long story, but in the Qing Dynasty, the Manchus (a race) took over power in China, who were mostly ethnically Han. They had their own culture and alphabet, so the Manchus used that in combination of written Chinese. You can read more on that on wikipedia.

The 4 large characters, going from 12 o clock to 6, 3, 9 says "Da Qing Ying Bi" or Great Qing Silver Coin

The character in the middle says "Ji" for Jilin Province.

The two characters on the very sides, from right to left say "Wu Shen" which according to the Chinese sexagenary calendar means the 45th year of the cycle.

The 4 characters at the bottom say "Ku ping yi liang" or Vault weight one tael. It's hard to clearly explain kuping, so go ahead and google that.


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I suggest that you check the weights for the others: not all counterfeits are magnetic.


Peter is correct. I've recently picked up 2 fakes that are some alloy of silver and cupronickle. They aren't magnetic, but the weights are off. Qing Dynasty silver should be around 28 grams if I remember...
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...along with a 1913 and 1920 Silver 5 Yuan coins...

I hate to break it to you, but there's no such thing as "silver 5 yuan coins". I suspect they may be giant fantasy coins, like the ones in this thread.
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