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All I know about this token right now is what is written on the 2x2. It was given to me to research and consider for purchase. I have not done either yet. Any information that you might provide would be of great assistance. I think their reference to being a mule is based on the bar under the letter 'R' in the word 'OUR' on the reverse. It looks to me more an error than mule. Information as written1863, Civil War Token Die Combination 1236/350 MULE EF-45    |
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I don't know anything about Civil War tokens, but the term mule usually refers to mismatched obverse/reverse dies.
From the 2x2's description looks like the die combination is obverse #1236 and reverse #350 (or the other way), that's why they call it a mule.
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the term mule usually refers to mismatched obverse/reverse dies Mismatched meaning that the obverse die and reverse die were never intended to be used together on the same coin/token. But I do not know why this obverse would not be used by this reverse. It appears to be a Patriotic token, and what it reads would make perfect sense to be used together. Edited by rikcando
02/11/2011 4:28 pm
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Patriotic token, obverse #352B, Based on the 'R' in OUR, it appears to be reverse #232.
Per the die charts, this appears to be an R-2 specimen (2000-4999 tokens of this variety estimated in existence)
Per your photos, it is very difficult to definitely determine the reverse or venture to assign a grade. There are several reverse patriotic dies which also match; namely 230, 231, 232, 232A.
This information can be found in the Standard Catalog of United States Tokens, 1700-1900, 4th Edition, Russell Rulau, Krause Publications, (c)2004, pgs. 527, 530, 538.
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02/11/2011 4:40 pm
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Paired patriotic dies are quite frequently encountered. I would not consider this specimen to be a mule. At the time, frugal shopkeepers would choose two patriotic dies rather than pay to have a custom storecard punched.
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02/11/2011 4:39 pm
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Per your photos, it is very difficult to definitely determine the reverse Thank you I will try to take better pictures of te reverse. Is there a particular area that I should zoom in on as well to assisit in determining which die it is? |
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This oldtime collector of CWT's agrees ... Not a mule - an obvious mule, that is.
I do have a fair guess why someone labeled this a mule. Some CWT dies favored peace, burying the hatchet, over war. The "Our Country" die could be construed as a so-called copperhead or peaceloving die (Our, including Confederates). If one looks at it that way, the pairing of "Our Country" then seems awkward conjoined with the military symbols of war - cannon.
Looks like a Fuld 231/352a, R-1 to me. Die 231, Our Country, the lower-numbered die, is the obverse.
This is a fairly common patriotic token
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Thanks to all for your insight and information.
I am guessing it is not worth the $50 price tag on it considering it is an R-1.
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Pricewise, maybe $8 on this one would be reasonable. It's got some crusty residue attached. Most CWT collectors would rather spend a few bucks more to get a better example on this common die combo.
Common, problem-free CWT's in VF-XF are wholesaling in the $12-14 range and now retailing in the $15-20 range.
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I agree with Exo 231/352
I would guess that the person who labeled the flip thought that the guides did not have the two sides paired...so they thought it was an error.
But in actuality, they probably just misidentified one of the sides.
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Posted 02/11/2011 4:27 pm
