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Hello everybody I purchased both coins from two different sellers from two diff states on the same night 3 hours apart. The first coin was listed as a Mint Error with some pictures that were a little fuzzy.I was pretty sure I knew what it was so I made a few bids and bought dirt cheap. A few hours went by and another Nickel with a Cud came up for sale.I could not believe what I was seeing the exact same year, MM and location of Cud and size.It was without a doubt Identical to the one I had just purchased.I knew what I had to do."Bid at all cost".Not really but sounds good.I do have my limits. I received the first coin today.It's the first 3 pictured and I borrowed the picture of the 2nd coin from ebay because it hasn't arrived yet.(Red Background)I couldn't wait to show them off so what do you think? I do have a few questions if anyone happens to know.How rare or common is the location of the Cud? How rare or common is it to find 2 Identical Cuds? and having two coins with the same identical Cud increase the value.Thanks for any input you can offer.     Edited by jasper62
02/12/2011 8:48 pm
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I was just looking at that. Very educational piece. The flow of metal looks like lava. Pretty cool.
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Hoping to not bust your enthusiastic bubble ... but I do not believe either of these are Cud errors.  I say wait on the true experts to opine ... however ... Cud is a result of a separated die break on the rim whereby the planchet material forms a 'glob' of metal .... the key here being a separated die break ... ie ... die edge gone and missing all together. All of your obverse photos show a clear planchet rim at the location of the supposed Cud ... and I don't know how this can be associated with a true Cud. Second concern is your reverse photo ... always expect a true Cud to show significant weakness in the area directly opposite of the die break ... in your case it would be 8:00pm or so ... and I just don't see it. I'm thinking both of these are PMD with material added after leaving the Mint. Hope I'm wrong and the experts tell me why ... for now ... this is my opinion. David Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Nickelsearcher You're kidding that you think it's PMD I hope.What ever it is,it not damage outside the mint.these are 2 separate coins Same year,same mint mark(Denver) with the exact same identical blobs in the exact same location which would dictate a problem with the obverse die which appears to be missing a large section of the Die.If that's not a Cud someone tell me what happened here |
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With all due respect, David raises some valid points, but I have to entirely disagree about PMD. The term Cud refers to a piece of the die missing- yes. BUT, there's only a fine line between Cud and large die chip. Yes, on a MAJOR Cud there should be weakness on the corresponding reverse area. But when a piece of the die chips out, you can still have a full pressure strike on the reverse. Weakness only results when a LARGE area of one die is missing. The 2 nickels shown are unquestionably from the same die, and yes, it was lack of that area of the die that was missing, completely broken from the die. So if you want to call it a Cud, do. Probably more accurately, it's a large die chip, but there really is no defining characteristic that draws a broad line between the two. One of the nickels is a neat find, 2 is awesome. If they were mine, I'd be inclined to sell them as a pair. As individual die chips, the reaction to them may be lukewarm. But very fun find!! |
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They are progressive Cuds. They are still chipping away toward the center. If you note on the reverse the weakness on the MONTECELLO and the letters below it are weak indicating the lack of pressure from nothing to resist if on the opposite side. The Cud is clear to the rim. I say nice find. |
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This is a well-known Cud. I've seen many nickels struck by this same die pair. Error coin writer and researcher.
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Sooo .... I stand corrected and remain a humble newbie!  Apologize for any anxiety I caused jasper! As the Master states ... Quote:This is a well-known Cud. I've seen many nickels struck by this same die pair. Still learning and doing my best to share opinions ... Congratulations indeed on the great pair! David |
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Sorry nickelsearcher if I seemed to snap but you did let the air out of my balloon rather quickly,LOL but you and liveandie brought up some valid points that I have not thought of before.Coop and Mike thank you for looking at my coins and sharing you're knowledge with me and others.I hope to receive the other one the first of next week in turn I'll post some pictures of the 2 together
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02/12/2011 11:09 pm
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That is a wicked cool Cud! fioti took the words out of my mouth with lava flow. It would be cool to see a few examples before and after that to watch the die break progression. |
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I got a couple of rolls of OBW cents and saw a progression of chipping going on in the first bay. I have about eight of them, but edited them into a gif image. You might enjoy this?  |
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That's what I'm talking about coop!  What year is that? I might have a later progression you could add to the mix if it's a 2003.   |
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It was a 2008-P Roll. I was given two rolls from a friend a couple of years ago and just got around to them.
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Coop you never cease to amaze me.That is so cool.I wonder how long it takes to progress like your time lapse shows.I mean how many coins were made from the first frame to the last frame?
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It must progress fast to end up with all the examples in the same roll. Probablly one bins worth from the run that same day. (Which could be minutes to fill mint time.)
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