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1994-P LMC- Another Possible New DDR?

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Found this 94P last night roll searching.


Nothing matching on coppercoins right now.

Looks like extra columns in bays 3,4 and especially in 11.

Also might be something at the base of bay one, but it could also just be part of the original column.

I'm not sure.


* Also looks like some shadow doubling on the Obverse by Lincoln's profile.*
I posted this also on the Lincoln Cent Resource and I'll be sending this to Mr Piazza (coppercoins.com) in another week or so for possible attribution etc.


I'll post results after that.
Meanwhile, opinions also welcomed here!

Thanks,

Chuck.


1994-P-LMC--Another-Possible-New-DDR?


1994-P-LMC--Another-Possible-New-DDR?


1994-P-LMC--Another-Possible-New-DDR?

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If the coin in the following link will list, there's no reason why yours shouldn't.

My personal opinion - neither of them are actually doubled dies.

http://www.varietyvista.com/1994PDDR003%20cent.htm
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Thanks for your personal opinion Chuck.

Always appreciated.

Naturally, I totally dis-agree with you on this for the following reasons:

The DDR-003 is my discovery coin that I sent to Dr Wiles and also to Bob Piazza who has it listed as 1994P-DDR-006 on your site (coppercoins)


That's what also makes this hobby great, difference of opinion even amongst you experts!
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I would like to know HOW that is a doubled die. I just don't see it.

DDR-001 shows irrefutable evidence of extra columns. This is just a line that doesn't match up with a column at all.
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I've always wondered about these, but who am I to question the pros?
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My personal thought is that these are the result of die wear, as are all other 'ghost' lines that develop in and near devices that people generally pay no attention to. These get the attention because of the single genuine (my opinion) doubled die for the issue.
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DR. Wiles and Bob Piazza determined, in their expert analysis, that these are doubled dies.

Obviously, they are looking at these differently from you.


I just send them in for possible attribution and what it is,it is, based on their expertise ,certainly not mine!

I will say this, I've scratched my head on more than a few occasions on what I've seen listed as doubled dies that you can barely see anything at all without magnification up the wazoo and I still can't figure out how that's called a doubled die especially on Morgan dollars ,as it all looks like MD to me.
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I can tell you from personal experience that Bob Piazza could NOT say that it was NOT a doubled die, so he listed it for benefit of the doubt. I had the conversation with him before that one was listed. It's at least somewhat likely that James Wiles listed it BECAUSE coppercoins listed it - or the other way around.

It's not always as simple as "he said so...so it is" - we have listed - then delisted - a number of die varieties over the years. Nobody is perfect.

I'd still like to know exactly how these turn out to be doubled dies, because I'm not seeing it.
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Dr Wiles (Coneca) listed my coin first, then Bob (coppercoins) a few weeks later.

Regarding this coin, since I also value your expertise, should I still send this in to BOB as he suggested, or am I wasting time and money since you are Coppercoins and you don't feel this is a DDR?

Chuck.
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Chuck - This has nothing to do with feelings. I do not see how it can be a doubled die, thus I do not think it is one. If Bob wants to list it, that's his perrogative...you can send it on to him.
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Thanks Chuck,

I'll be sending it to him next week.
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