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New Member
United States
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Hi Everyone. I'm new to the forum and wanted to get some expert advice on this bill I've been holding for about 12 years now. I pulled it out of a cash register I was working (and replaced it with another) I was going to sell it on ebay but then I noticed when researching that it could possibly be a fake. The reason I say this is because I was told the image quality should be relatively the same for the reverse and obverse error print. On this bill, the reverse image seems a lot sharper than the other side. A couple of things: The image on the reverse and obverse are aligned perfectly. When I first got it I thought the ink from the back somehow had bled through to the front. When held up to light the 2 images are indistinguishable from one another (if you hold it up to a light and look at the reverse side, it appears as though nothing is wrong with the bill, and when flipped over the image from the back seems to show through to the front) There is no overlap I can see. This tells me that if it's real, it must be a case where the sheet had another sheet placed on top of it which was not finished drying, and not a case of the sheet going through a press that just missed a sheet and transferred that ink to the dye, resulting in the same image printing on both sides of the sheet. If the latter had happened, the front image would look like the back, but it does not. As you can see the front error has the eagle on the left side and the pyramid on the right, whereas on the reverse the pyramid lies on the left and the eagle on the right. So if it is indeed real it has to be a wet transfer from the following sheet being laid on top of this one while still damp. That being said, could that be the reason for the poorer quality of the image on the obverse, as opposed to a press mis-feed which would transfer a substantially higher-quality image to the obverse (and in the same alignment as the reverse)? Meaning could it still be real even though the two images differ substantially in quality, due to the manner of transfer? Or do you think looking at the images below that the front was doctored after the fact by someone else? Thanks, I really appreciate your help!     |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm not convinced it is fake, but I will defer to people who know more about this sort of thing than I.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1397 Posts |
The thing you said about the images overlapping perfectly leads me to believe no printer could reproduce it so perfectly. I know it could be printed... but flawlessly on top of the image on the other side? I would think that would help to say it is real.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It's called an offset transfer. Ink image on a printer's bed is left behind and the image is picked up by a sheet or sheets.
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New Member
 United States
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Nickelman: That's what I was thinking too. If the images were offset by even half a millimeter it would be obvious when holding it up to the light. I doubt any printer could achieve such accuracy (if an individual was trying to forge an error note)
fcrazo: You're right..my logic above was flawed. I was reasoning that the two were reversed (thus matching perfectly when the bill is held up to the light) which meant that it couldn't have been produced by a mis-feed into the press, but that assumes the obverse is being printed by the press, which it's not. The ink transferred to the bed, when applied to the obverse side laid on top of it, would indeed match exactly the image being stamped on the reverse side by the press itself. So it could have been made by press after all. So, do you think it looks authentic?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I am no expert on notes (nor anything else to be honest) but I find it hard to believe it could have been faked and line up perfectly as you stated. I think that would topple the scaled leaning more towards authentic than fake. We have some very knowledgeable members here that do deal with notes and errors and they could tell you with more certainty than myself but I will keep an eye on here to see if maybe I can learn a thing or two from the responses you receive Oh yeah  to the forum |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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ahh... I see why you said it could have been printed with a dot-matrix or another type of printer. But I do agree with Nickleman, no printer can really duplicate the details you have on your wet-ink transfer. And if it was really due to the ink on the previous note not drying, the details would come up a bit fuzzy. At least they got the plat number right.
This leads me to think how they could have faked it - the most plausible way I think is to put some kind of dissolvant on the back of a $1 and press another one on it...
Back to your note, I think you should get it graded. A note with this heavy of a transfer doesn't come round often.
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Pillar of the Community
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the most plausible way I think is to put some kind of dissolvant on the back of a $1 and press another one on it... I doubt that as well since solvent would cause a dull/smear effect (I had one of those once) the detail is sharp on these notes. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Schizlor, welcome to CCF. I took your note and cropped it up against mine (mine only covers about 70% of the obverse - left to right). I "think" (90% sure) your's is Legit / authentic. The reason you see "your notes obverse" a little blurry is that you have "excess / more" black ink. It's very subtle and you can see it on the borders / bled to sides. Ergo, somewhat of a blurry effect so to say. You can see this "blurry" effect on your 3rd and 4th pics (borders).Unfortunately with all the fakes out there you have to have this note graded / authenticated to realize the full value on the bay. Schizlor's Note  Edited by Ceylon62
02/27/2011 07:28 am
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New Member
United States
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Thanks everybody. I'm going to send it in to be graded. I shudder to think how many notches lower it will be graded due to my mishandling of it. In the 4th pic I posted, those wrinkles on the corner were all done by me after the fact. (being careless when I was moving) In doing so I'm pretty sure I degraded it at least one or two notches.
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