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 Posted 03/01/2011  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still looking for the correct answer for part 3 of the question.
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 Posted 03/01/2011  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I figured that was the wrong one. I'm thinking just a few years ago, any gubmint issued coins were made legal tender in any amount. Maybe 1995?
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 Posted 03/01/2011  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Flook to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
might be way off here but wasn't there a coinage act in 1965 that revoked the legal tender status?
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 Posted 03/02/2011  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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How much was the 2-cent piece legal tender when it was enacted?


It wasn't worth anything because it did not exist when enacted. The Philadelphia mint does not enact anything.... it produces coins after Congress enacts the law.


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It changed legal tender status two other times, when did it change again, to what value, and why?


It (being singular) refers to one coin.... one Two Cent coin is legal tender for Two Cents..... this has never changed.


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 Posted 03/02/2011  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Flook has the final answer but not entirely. The Coinage Act of 1965 made ALL coins legal tender for unlimited value.


The Coinage Act of April 22, 1864 legislated the creation of the 2-cent piece (among doing other things) and gave it a legal tender status of 20 cents.

Then, the Coinage Act of March 3, 1865 reduced it down to 4 cents!

Finally the Coinage Act of July 23, 1965 gave it and all U.S. coinage unlimited legal tender status.

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 Posted 03/02/2011  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect these coins so this thread has been great.

Prethen, can you give insight as to what was the rational was for the legal tender status of 20 cents, then the legal tender status of 4 cents? How would they let the public know of the change?

Thanks and I am looking forward to the article in Coin World.
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 Posted 03/02/2011  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great questions.

I don't know the answer to how people were notified. I'm guessing that new legislation was reported in local newspapers and the merchants/customers read about it in there.

Why 20 cents? I'm guessing here, but it's probably because the legislators wanted to limit the number of coins that any merchant was obligated to take in a single transaction and 10 coins seemed reasonable. Also, the same number of coins (total of 10 cents) is what legal tender was set for the 1864 new French Bronze cent.

Why 4 cents? That's a LOT more complicated. Basically there was some political clashing going on at the time of trying to push through the Three Cent Nickel legislation and the "nickel side" in a fit of triumph of getting the new composition for the coin through forced the 1 and 2 cent denominations to be lesser legal tender. This had the side effect of promoting the new Three Cent Nickel which was allowed legal tender to 60 cents!
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 Posted 03/04/2011  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Anarchus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info Prethen, those are some wild lil' facts
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 Posted 03/05/2011  06:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One comment, the Two Cent Piece actually achieved unlimited legal tender status in 1933. Don't remember the exact date and the information is on my other machine which is down at the moment. But in 1933 there was a clause passed which gave unlimited legal tender status to all US coins whenever they were made.
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Conder...unlimited legal tender status happened with the Coinage Act of 1965 for all U.S. minted coins.
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It also happened in 1933.

Found it June 5th 1933 House Joint resolution 192 Sec 2

"All coins and currencies of the United States (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve banks and national banking associations)hereunto and hereafter coined or issued, shall be legal tender for all debts, for public and private, public charges, taxes, duties, and dues, except gold coins, when below the standard weight and limit of tolerance provided by law for the single piece, shall be legal tender only at valuation in proportion to their actual weight."

Approved June 5,1933, 4:30 p.m.
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in 1933 there was a clause passed which gave unlimited legal tender status to all US coins whenever they were made.


Except the Trade dollar.
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Seeing conder's post, something must have changed, because I remember reading that Trade dollars sold for $.85 back in the 50s, and even today, you can buy a $10,000 gold certificate for less than face.
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 Posted 03/06/2011  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will have to look into that 1933 law. It appears to be connected to removing us off of gold coinage and I do see the legal tender text. However, I have to wonder why it is every text I've ever read alludes to the Act of 1965 making all older coins legal tender. Hmmmmmm....
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Sorry I missed this topic at the star but I have only just managed to establish an internet connection.
the 1933 law is new to me to in regards to 2 Cents I was only aware of the 1965 act but that does not mean Condor is not correct the 1965 act might have superseded the 1933 act...
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