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Whats Going On With This Wheatie?!

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 Posted 03/07/2011  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't even collect errors and would give $10 for that coin just to have another example of a very nice error coin. Anyone who would call this PMD (post mint damage) really needs to get a book and read it.
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 Posted 03/07/2011  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add liveandievarieties to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If we were in person, I'd best your offer!
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 Posted 03/07/2011  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And you would probably end up with it because I'm not out to make a market in errors - I was just saying I'd pay a premium to have it as an educational example...because it's nice!
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 Posted 03/07/2011  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KoinKid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the info guys. This coin is pretty cool and I think I'll hold onto it for a while.
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 Posted 03/07/2011  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cud Wild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it was a lamination error there wouldnt be a big bubble on the bottom of the coin. Thats why I said it was PMD by something extremely hot. When a coin is heated it will form a bubble that looks like a Cud.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cud Wild - Study the photos carefully and look at the lighting angle. That's no bubble, that's a missing part of the coin...and lamination is exactly what causes this.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cud Wild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still think thats a bubble on the bottom. The way the shadowing is it looks like a bubble. Apparently theres a light source on the right side showing the shadow on the left side of the bubble. Unless KoinKid tells me otherwise then I still believe its a bubble.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, whatever...I guess my 30 years in coins and my 10 years as a professional numismatic photographer (with credits in numerous books and websites) as well as being the digital numismatic photography instructor for the ANA Summer Seminar three different years count for nothing.

In ALL the images the primary light source is coming from the top left. The bright areas on the surface surrounding the coin make that obvious. Light on the right side of anything with a left-hand light source means it's incuse. It's simple science.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not see anything resembling a bubble either. Melting copper is definitely not an easy task with a melting point of almost 2000F, it takes alot more than just touching it with a hot object. Anything that hot touching a coin would destroy any semblance of natural patina. Also, the graininess of the delaminated area is quite typical of a lamination peel.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cud Wild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coppercoins I respect the fact on how much you know about coins. You are one of the first people I want opinions on about any kind of coin I have. But I will say nobody no matter what experience knows everything. Even as a numinastic photographer you know as well as I do photographs can be decieving sometimes.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is not a matter of knowing everything. It's a matter of being acutely observant to detail and understanding the dynamics of lighting. I have been through that class enough times to teach it in my sleep. The proper attribution of what this coin is was given in previous posts. The area you refer to on the coin is incuse. I appreciate that you value my knowledge and responses here - so just trust me on this. If the OP was here to clear it up, he would tell you that the area you are calling a bubble is definitely incuse on the coin.

Furthermore - fire damage would change the color of the coin to something unnatural.

Fire damage on a coin that causes it to bubble up is NORMALLY found on layered clad coins.

Fire damage on a coin ALWAYS has a soft edge - this does not.

There are a NUMBER of things that go into my attempting to tell you without JUST telling you - you are wrong.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  7:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VERY cool find! Congrats!
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 Posted 03/08/2011  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KoinKid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok well here we go..... Cud Wild the lighting source was just as Coppercoins stated, the light source was above me and over my left shoulder(the top and to the left) and I being the owner of the coin can tell you that there is no bubble on the coins surface. I've pulled this thing out of my folder numerous times (yes its in a 2x2) since finding it. It's a very nice coin in hand. I wish there was a way to get better pic of it but my resources wont allow it at this time. Thank you all for your input on my find :)
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 Posted 03/08/2011  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cud Wild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats on your find then. If you do sell it in the future dont take anything less than 50 for it then. Its a major error of that type.
On a side note the picture is excellent you dont need to take a better picture.
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 Posted 03/08/2011  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
KoinKid - Actually your images are perfectly fine, and for the record - your lighting was exactly what it should have been. You did everything right.
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