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Just getting around to taking pics of this one. At first, I thought it had MD all around, but now I'm not so sure.

What caught me eye was the "BR" (looks re-engraved or re-tooled) and the small ring around the inside of the rim. The ring seems to overlap just above the "B" to the right of the bust and just above the "G" to left of the bust.

It almost looks like it may have been hubbed with two different designs.

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Scooby,

Very cool! Def doubling going on there...nice!
Very interesting and I am from Nova Scotia as well ;)
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From Charlton's Canadian Coins 62nd there are two varieties, 'Large Rosebud', and 'Small Rosebud...I would like to hear more about the doubling or maybe re-strike?



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Thanks for the extra info! This appears to be the large rosebud given it's distance from the ring.

Not sure if the overlapping lines are part of the design or not.

I'm liking those prices, too! That means I gave G4 money for it. How do you think she grades?
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My amateur opinion on grade is VG-8/F-12 maybe slightly higher, there seems to be some good detail with the Queen and her hair from the images I can see here...
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I'm starting to think the 'BR'was re-struck/re-tooled...the bottom of the 'BR' is off the curve of the 'ITT' etc...
The one cent had the same obverse as the British halfpenny.
Any experts around? :)
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Interesting note regarding the mintage numbers. The figures for 1861 was 800,000 and 1,000,000 for 1862, but the 1862 is a more scare coin. The mintage figures above have been combined. This is likely due to some, or most of the cents minted in 1862 were actually minted with 1861 dies.
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The one cent had the same obverse as the British halfpenny.

This is true and maybe a clue. My Canadian books do not tell how to grade British coins, so you might need help from someone more familiar with British coins.

I personally would give the obverse a VF from those pictures. I am not as sure about the reverse, but would likely give the coin a VF overall.
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Griffon doesn't mention it in his book, although there are 2-3 mentioned that have well offset "repunching", a word that Jack used to describe most things doubled. The offsets aren't all in the same direction/orientation, so I'm not sure about it all being hub-doubling.
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That's pretty interesting, especially the are in BRITT. That looks like it was on the die.
with others here. I'm also unsure how the dies were made, so I don't know if it's retooling or some other process.
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Nice find Scooby! I have a Nova Scotia 1864 1/2 cent from the same era, and upon further examination found similar issues. The ring, however, appears to be solid, and the are is normal. I also noticed a die crack through the C in Victoria. If anyone would be willing to grade, I would appreciate it.

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I'd pay EF for it plus the die crack premium.
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If I understand correctly, the dies were made from The Royal Mint of London.

Could there be some British cents with a similar obverse?

I can't seem to find anything on the die making process for 1861 London. Anybody have any links or other helpful info?
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Here's an 1861 British halfpenny obverse photo from an ebay item .

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The Nova Scotia cent and half-cent are quite similar to their New Brunswick counterparts, utilizing virtually identical reverse designs. Like the New Brunswick coins, the obverse die for the half-cent was taken from the British farthing, while the obverse for the cent was simply that of the British halfpenny.
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Right, but I'm trying to figure out what happened to the lettering and the ring. Retooling makes sense for the "BR". The alignment of "BR" must be associated with the ring being out of whack. Right?



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