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Let me start by saying that this board has really come alive lately, and I have learned a lot. Now, there is a site I ran into about a week ago and saw this. This is really hard for me to believe. Any opinions? I apologize if this has been posted. I haven't seen it. http://www.dvnmagazine.com/news.html |
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How is that even possible? Wouldn't the coin have to be rotated 180 degrees and re-pressed? If that did in fact happen, wouldn't the entire device be doubled upside down?
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No- The die itself when it was created was indeed rotated. It was partially hubbed and then rotated. Die then received the full hubbing, ultimately showing only the statue detail as doubling. Can't get a doubled die with stronger rotation than that!
Quoted from the article- "it was noted by John Wexler from a conversation he had with Mr. Shue of the U.S. Mint that technicians were stopping the hubbing press when alignment problems occurred. It appears this is most likely what happened with this doubled die. After stopping the press, correcting the problem, and then restarting the single-squeeze the hub and die were now misaligned 180 degrees from each other"
DVN (Die Variety News) is a great read and free to everyone! Link is above.
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Pillar of the Community
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I like the 2005 1¢ CDDR-049 listed a little further down the page better. Abe is completely doubled to the north. Head, shoulders and all!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Abe is completely doubled to the north. Head, shoulders and all! Yeah--that one is cool, it's like Lincoln's shadow. Scooby, did you see the tripled obverse die Kennedy half below that? It's pretty bizarre how it distorted the letters. |
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I thought it would be a die variety ? versus doubleddie correct ?
If the minting/striking process caused the die to be doubled then its a doubleddie,
in this case it was a human that did a die impression then flipped the die 180 degree and did it over,
would't this be a "reverse die variation " . or aka master die doubling meaning every coin struck with that die should have it from coin 1 to the last coin minted it did not develop on its own
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03/14/2011 1:34 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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NO- erase everything you just said from you memory coppertop!
IF it is a variation ON the die. It is a Die Variety. Period. If the variation is on the die, it strikes many more examples with that exact variation, whether doubling, an RPM, a clash mark, etc., If it's a variety on the die, it's a Die Variety.
IF it is double struck, struck on an incomplete planchet, off center or one of the many, many other types of planchet or striking mishaps, then it's an ERROR.
Doubled dies are die varieties. They are created during the production of a die which strikes coins. Doubled dies only happen when they're being made. The image becomes doubled on some portion of the die. A doubled die doesn't develop on it's own, it's made that way and every coin it strikes has the same doubling.
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I think I finally see it. And all I had to do is turn my computer upside-down.
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I lean toward the coin being as it is described. Hopefully , John will add this one to his files and then write about it for CW.
It looks to me like the process of hubbing a die was started and for some reason subsequently stopped. Then the die was removed from the hubbing press, rotated 180 degrees and the process restarted.
Very interesting. I'll await John's conclusion!
Have Fun,
Bill
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03/15/2011 01:40 am
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I like the 2005 1¢ CDDR-049 listed a little further down the page better. Abe is completely doubled to the north. Head, shoulders and all! If you are talking about the bottom picture of the 3 I do believe that is just an overlay and that the coin really shows only the legs. I could be wrong but that's what I understand by reading the description under each photo. |
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A transparent overlay superimposed over the leg remnants in the bottom photo provides viewers an illustration of the dramatic spread of doubling. I would have driven myself nuts looking for that one. I guess I really should read this stuff.  |
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I think I finally see it. And all I had to do is turn my computer upside-down. Or open the pix in Irfanview > image, r, r. |
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The "Inverted Statue" variety has been updated on the DVN "News & Announcements" web page at: http://www.dvnmagazine.com/news.html If you get a chance stop by. Regards, Billy Author and publisher of Die Variety News (DVN) online magazine |
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 aboard Billy . nice to see you here. looking forward to your future participation.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Is that the only thing that is doubled on the cent?
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the link, Billy..
Bill O'
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